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UPDATE CCPD ANOTHER CASE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE

Tasered Suspect Claims Police Brutality
Updated: Dec 16, 2008 11:14 PM



CORPUS CHRISTI - A Navy Corpsman was arrested and tasered for fleeing from police, and now the Corpusman is claiming he was the victim of excessive force and brutality.

A Navy Corpsman had been rushing home to get his fiance her emergency asthma medicines when police tried to pull him over. Police said he violated some traffic laws and refused to pull over.

However, the couple said the department owes them an apology and they have hired a lawyer.

"Her breathing became worse and I panicked," Nicholas Lowry, 26, said.

Lowry's fiance began having an asthma attack and he rushed to get her home Saturday night.

The police report indicated the officer started following the couple as soon as they sped right through the intersection of Baldwin and Ayers.

Lowry drove several blocks before stopping in his own driveway.

"I parked the car, turned the vehicle off, leaned over the window and I tried to tell the officer 'I'm sorry this is a medical emergency'," Lowry said.

However, before he could explain, Lowry said he was tasered, while sitting in his truck. He fell to the ground and was tasered again.

Lowry said things only escalated when Officer W. Hobbs criticized Lowry's service as a Navy Corpsman.

"Then, we walked in[to the jail] and he slammed me into a concrete wall. While taking me in, he laughed in my ear and said I'm gonna throw you in the cell with all the f-----, so they can rape you," Lowry said, of what Hobb's allegedly said.

Lowry's fiance took pictures of how officers scattered his military honors about while searching their truck.

Police said Lowry was already in the process of being cuffed when he tried to elbow the officer and a taser was authorized.

JK: IMHO The sentence below indicates the sentence above is untrue.

They also added that the bottom line was that it is a felony if a driver doesn't pull over for a cop.

"If this gentleman had pulled over, like he's required to do under the law, an ambulance could have been summoned or the officer could have escorted them to the hospital," CCPD Captain Todd Green said.

However, Lowry and his fiance said the behavior from the police was unacceptable .

"I think they should train their people. I felt like a criminal and we didn't do anything wrong," Nicki Redding, Lowry's fiance, said.

"It would be nice for someone to tell the truth and apologize," Lowry stated. "As far as the incident, I've forgiven the officer, I just want these kind of things to stop."

Police said the couple can file a complaint through their Internal Affairs Division and the arresting officer would be investigated.

Also, it's hard to validate that kind of situation because police said there was no dash cam video or recordings of the incident.

The couple is now talking with their lawyer and deciding what legal action they might pursue.

Online Reporter: Lauren Williamson



Very Insightful input!

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Gordon Haley <gordondeanhaley@yahoo.com> wrote:

This was my posting that didn't show:

Even though this situation lends itself to many variables which are interpretable and may side on either the student or the CCPD office, I would like to bring up a few points which have not been addressed on prior postings.

1) Did the officer utilize CCPD issued equipment which require disposable charge cartridge replacements?

2) If so, did the CCPD pay for the replacement cartridge on the Taser gun that was used while the "Off Duty" Policeman was "moonlighting"?

3) What does the Charter School Board Policy state as far as corporal and/or physical punishment on students by school faculty?

4) Did we not do away with "shock therapy" in prior historical events namely Adolph Hitler and his experimentations with humans?

5) Before the student was provoked, was the student causing harm to himself or anyone else?

6) As some have stated that there were witnesses, I would pose the question why were the witnesses not given the "taser treatment" to redirect them out of the same area?

7) As a part time employ, the CCPD on site should have to abide by all educational rules and regulations. If a CCPD officer is not informed or properly trained in the Texas State Board of Educators guidelines, then he/she should not even be on a School Campus.

8) It was mentioned that the CCPD was dispatched, did the officer make a special trip to the school or was the officer in the school already? Who dispatched the officer?

9) Where is the surveillance video to protect the Students/Faculty?

10) As an educator, I am really taken back by the fact that School District Employees are mandated to not so much as even touch a student, but a part- time contract security employee can determine at will to taser a student who doesn't bow down before him. Is this the United States of America?

11) Was the officer truly threatened or was he/she wanting to get the taser use up as this was a current issue in the news last week?

12) Has the Charter School notified in writing to the students and the parents of the students attending that charter school that the Tasers are permitted on campus and the use of Tasers are permitted under the Charter Schools Board policy as a use of force and under what conditions that use of force is appropriate?

13) Has a taser ever been used in CCISD campus on a minor student? Why or why not?Who was Rodney Kings Lawyer?

--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Jaime Kenedeno <kingalonzoalvarezdepinedaxiii@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jaime Kenedeno <kingalonzoalvarezdepinedaxiii@gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: [Corpus Christi Caller Times] Corpus Christi police one of the worst in the s...
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The lack of statistical comparison notwithstanding, Corpus Christi police say their excessive force complaints are few.

Christopher Gale, a San Antonio lawyer known throughout the state for representing people with excessive force complaints, says otherwise. He claims it's one of the worst in the state for excessive force complaints.

"It's not just a couple of bad seeds. It's a pervasive attitude that you can get away with it, where they feel like they're above it and right now I think they are," Gale said. "I probably get three calls a day regarding complaints about CCPD."

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2 comments:

Jaime Kenedeño said...

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related links Posted by 329836 on November 16, 2008 at 10:21 a.m.

How interesting. SInce he has been Chief of police he sure has been in the news several times, and not in a good way.
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related links Posted by 460608 on November 16, 2008 at 10:24 a.m.

All this zipping and unzipping, whew, here we go again.

If it ain't zip your pants it's zip your mouth. Dang if you do and dang if you don't.
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related links Posted by 329836 on November 16, 2008 at 10:28 a.m.

in response to 460608

LOL you've got that right!
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related links Posted by 273452 on November 16, 2008 at 10:34 a.m.

as the world turns so does the bowl of crock
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related links Posted by 459610 on November 16, 2008 at 10:46 a.m.

Thanks Caller Times for communicating to CCPD officers who's in charge! The troops heard it first from you. No communication at CCPD on this issue.
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related links Posted by 714676 on November 16, 2008 at 10:53 a.m.

The Bum Needs To Go....
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related links Posted by 260472 on November 16, 2008 at 11:07 a.m.

in response to 459610

Many officers knew about this 12 hours ago...CT was not on top of things on this one.
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related links Posted by 342632 on November 16, 2008 at 11:16 a.m.

This whole city is messed up. It's probably really corrupt also. As far as the Mayor & City Council members, they are all a joke. We all have got to get better city officials into office. This is sick, sick, sick. I wonder if someone in the state can step in and do a complete audit of just what goes on here. That would be a welcome call.
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related links Posted by 257726 on November 16, 2008 at 11:23 a.m.

How many chances is this loser going to get??

If he can't keep his nose clean after all the humilation of rape and DUI accusations, then he is a pathological trouble-maker. Please make this the last time we have to read about him!!
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related links Posted by 235519 on November 16, 2008 at 11:25 a.m.

Still chuckling...

It's starting to sound like, "Desperate Housewives", Y&R, and "office" all wrapped into one, need to get "CSI", "Matlock" and "Lassie" involved, and place these articles in "Enquirer" or "TV Guide".
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related links Posted by 714921 on November 16, 2008 at 11:30 a.m.

The destructive Corpitos politicians strike AGAIN. Escobar needs to wake up and smell the coffee. He will be the next political victim.

Anytime someone has a "beef" because of a difficult choice a public official makes, we see some take the opportunity go after them with a PERSONAL VENGEANCE and is willing to make up anything to have the individual removed.

How many times do we have to see this? Most of the time the accused is found to be a victim only after the accuser gets away with a CHARACTER ASSASSINATION and no consequences.

If we find out at a later date the chief is innocent of the over-the-top-accusation, I say we EXPOSE the accuser for what he/she really is and we run them OUT OF TOWN along with the council and the puppet manager.
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related links Posted by 363537 on November 16, 2008 at 11:33 a.m.

wow.............ha ha ha...........They will find him INNOCENT.......AS YOU WILL SEE.In case you don't know this guy is part cat........he has several chances more to go."the untochable".......I HOPE HE IS NOT GETTING PAID FOR THIS VACATION AGAIN.
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related links Posted by 313072 on November 16, 2008 at 11:33 a.m.

At least he does not have tattoos to make him look bad.
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related links Posted by 700414 on November 16, 2008 at 11:34 a.m.

freehannah.com
freepaul.com
freebryan.com?

how about www.freecorpuschristi.com? A little relief down he-ah...
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related links Posted by 334391 on November 16, 2008 at 11:36 a.m.

I bet Bryan Smith has lawyers lining up to take this case. PAYDAY for anyone who wants to take this on and easily prove the city is violating the rights of an individual's freedom of speech. I hear the cash register ringing already.
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related links Posted by 264139 on November 16, 2008 at 11:37 a.m.

We must have some of the sorriest investigators in the world. This has been going on for several weeks now and still the investigation is ongoing. He either made the "disparaging statements" or he didn't. If people are willing to make the accusations against Chief Brian Smith, they should be willing to testify to that effect. Quit stalling with the resolution of this issue. Did Smith break any laws by stating his opinion of some people? If he didn't, then "get off the pot" and let's get back to the business of protecting the citizens of Corpus Christi.
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related links Posted by 366204 on November 16, 2008 at 11:38 a.m.

Big Gamble
I bet they hire a high-priced consultant, let the 'acting' chief apply after all applicants have been weeded out and hire the local yokel.

Any one want to bet against me?
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related links Posted by 334391 on November 16, 2008 at 11:53 a.m.

I would hope the City Attorneys look up the details like out when it comes to FREEDOM OF SPEECH and inform the City Council so they can stop wasting time, money, and making themselves look like fools.
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related links Posted by 709495 on November 16, 2008 at 11:56 a.m.

Say what you want Police Chief Bryan Smith is a good Teacher and mentor .I bet none of yall knew he was a Teacher at Del Mar
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related links Posted by 342632 on November 16, 2008 at 11:57 a.m.

I'm sure that this event will cost the city big money. At the taxpayers expense, I'm sure.
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related links Posted by 703998 on November 16, 2008 at 12:17 p.m.

709495 -

Teacher At Del Mar? Did he teach the rest of the sexual abusers who are going around acting as CCPD officers. It's starting to make since now.

I will be the first to admit that the majority of the CCPD officers are some of the best around and I would always support them. Like with every organization, there are some bad apples. CCPD must patrol themselves and get rid of the bad apples, including the chief.
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related links Posted by 320071 on November 16, 2008 at 12:21 p.m.

This is Corpus Christi politics as usual. Since when can someone not speak their mind in private conversations. The fact that this was accidentally recorded by an answering machine and reported by a disgrunted employee does not change the fact that it was a private conversation. IMO Chief Smith has been an asset to the city and whatever he said behind closed doors is nobody's business.
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related links Posted by 709495 on November 16, 2008 at 12:25 p.m.

Chief Smith teaches buisness classes at Del Mar I cannot comment on the CCPD Officers because I never had a run in with them , but I highly respect the CCPD Officers here in Corpus Christi for the job they do and for the amount they get paid .
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related links Posted by 709468 on November 16, 2008 at 12:28 p.m.

It is about Time someone Nailed the Guy. He has been Nothing but Problems since he Got The Job. Finally he may have Nailed Himself! No one else seems to have been able to or Willing To.
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related links Posted by 237263 on November 16, 2008 at 12:32 p.m.

Thanks to the association for drumming this up. Great job, you must be proud.
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related links Posted by 245552 on November 16, 2008 at 12:32 p.m.

Lord, Lord have mercy on us! I sympathize with our local leaders because of all the scrutiny going on, the new city manager, mayor Garett , Judge Banales, Chief Smith.....seems they all are under the microscope...what'll be next on the news? Will someone report a story that one of them farted in public? Will we call an pay a ghost buster team to try and gather the evidence. Let's face it we're all upset because of the Economy and we're witch hunting for the culprit so we can vent and I think this comment section is one good vehicle another good method is to get out and exercise by jogging or biking this helps get rid of excess body gas.
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related links Posted by 710197 on November 16, 2008 at 12:41 p.m.

It is a shame that the guy trying to do the right thing is stymied at every turn by the shameful and corrupt corpus christi machine. A new city manager chosen not by qualifications but because he will do the bidding like a good little cog. His first official actions are the investigation and termination of the chief who tried to upset the apple cart. We will see how deep the corruption goes for sure, now. For instance, will Chief Smith's lawyers uncover the relationship between the disgraced liar Torres and his toady Tisdale?
How about Torres relationship to the CC political machine? In the next chapter of "AS CORPUS CHRISTI TURNS", will Torres drop his lawsuit in return for the city giving him the new Chief position? How much will the city pay Smith to go away quietly with no lawsuit? How many more fired CCPD officers will get their jobs back? How long will Escobar keep his position before he becomes a noisy liability and therefore expendable? Perhaps the Mayor is looking for a return to his old position or just trying to maintain that good ol' boy control.... ENQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!
How many good citizens will be marching around City Hall on Monday with signs, torches and pitchforks?

Eeyore
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related links Posted by 709495 on November 16, 2008 at 12:48 p.m.

Honestly what have these public officials done to you probably nothing . If you dont like corpus christi get out and move to the country .The City officials we have are good ones but dont forget there human too nobody's perfect .How would you like it if we threw your junk out there everytime you slip up .
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related links Posted by 233913 on November 16, 2008 at 12:49 p.m.

I want to know what the heck he said that they think they have a case for administrative leave?!
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related links Posted by 352772 on November 16, 2008 at 12:50 p.m.

in response to 459610

I posted a comment last night on the other article that he was ousted. Keep up. Caller Times was not on top of things on this one.
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related links Posted by 352772 on November 16, 2008 at 12:53 p.m.

in response to 703998

to make "since" now---

It's spelled "sense".
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related links Posted by 245313 on November 16, 2008 at 12:53 p.m.

I want to know why is freedom of speech is not protected? This crazy city administration can't handle the thought of one of their own speaking the truth! They ALL should get put on administrative leave!!
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related links Posted by 342632 on November 16, 2008 at 12:56 p.m.

We all know that we all talk about the city politics, like our Mayor & City Council members, since they all are doing a terrible job. If the Chief was just expressing his views, just as all of us have done, he should not get in trouble for that. I'm sure time will tell. I hope that we all will find out just what this is all about. Let's get to the bottom of this & get our city government cleaned up once & for all. It seems as if we have one fiasco after another. What a mess.
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related links Posted by 447098 on November 16, 2008 at 1:01 p.m.

in response to 245552

Don't know about the others making their living at the "public trough", but Banales did not just "fart".
He almost killed a TxDot worker!

Only public scrutiny exposes these corrupt weasels.

Like, not many people know that Banales can count two under his belt, that is he has hit 2 individuals on different occasions with his vehicle, yet still manages to get away with not even a slap on the wrist.
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related links Posted by 342632 on November 16, 2008 at 1:05 p.m.

Could all this being taking place because Chief Bryan Smith WANTS to take a paid leave off. It would be like a paid vacation.
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related links Posted by 703998 on November 16, 2008 at 1:23 p.m.

352772 -

Sorry.
I went to Del Mar. Taught by the Chief.

Sexual Abuse 1.0.1 does not teach how to spell. Just to come up with excuses..
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related links Posted by 425208 on November 16, 2008 at 1:32 p.m.

FART, POP, BURP, WHATEVER! THESE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS IN THE PUBLIC EYE, OF COURSE THEY HAVE TO WATCH EVERY STEP THEY TAKE AND WHAT THEY SAY. SO HE WAS OVER HEARD. I BET YOU ALL HAVE STAINED YOUR PANTS AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER BUT THEN, WHO ARE YOU? THAT'S RIGHT. NOBODY TO BE TALKING, ZERO...HEY, I BET YOU'VE HAD A FEW ACCIDENTS BEFORE, THINK BEFORE YOU JUMP IN.
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related links Posted by 715318 on November 16, 2008 at 1:41 p.m.

Okay...so city council wants to get rid of Smith. How about getting rid of our city council members. Some (not all) are not doing a damn thing over there except spending money like it was nothing.

If the chief said some not so nice thing about city council then it was probably true. Sad to say.

Watch out CCPD officers....you never know what this Capt will do to you if you make him mad and not let him have his way!

Heidi.....work on becoming that first woman police chief. You have what it takes. Clean up this dept. Don't take crap from others! Be honest..others may hate you but you show them that you are fair and treat everyone equally as you have always done in the past.

And all of you that are so eager to bring someone down that has promoted.....there is a reason why you have not been promoted!!!

Geez!---this city is so messed up. I could not help but laugh at Henry Garrett's radio commercial on how much there is to offer in CC. Yeah..right! Maybe for city council members only.

I cannot stand Smith at all but the way this went is completely wrong. City council members back talk those in PD, FD, and all others departments of the city. Everybody says crap about everybody. I was taught that if someone says something ugly about me then just ignore it. That is life! I guess these guys were nothing but a bunch mama's boys and by the looks of it...still are. Wah Wah Wah....I want my way!! That is how that Capt sounds. Dang...and I really thought highly of him! It just goes to show things are not always what they seem.

Capt did this all to make himself look better. He looks worse than the chief now. But hey...he got his way after all.

Walsh is a good guy. He would make a great chief. Sad to say but I would hate to have that title. Once you are there these sharks are ready to tear you apart no matter how good you are. No wonder this city is considered not a very good place to live. There is no longer any honesty or integrity in any of our leaders.
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related links Posted by 243263 on November 16, 2008 at 1:45 p.m.

what happened to freedom of speech? hey, i have said a lot of unpleasant things about our mayor and council but never lost my job over it. we could do a lot worse than smith, remember who had the job before him???????? i think we have the right man for the job.
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related links Posted by 235030 on November 16, 2008 at 1:46 p.m.

It's about time. He was a joke. Didn't know him before until he made news in C.C. when he proposed to his girlfriend at the ball park. Right then I knew he was a trouble. What police chief has time to get his 15 min. of fame for his own image. He should have done it the other way around; like cracking down on the criminal activities of gangs and trying to clean up C.C for a safe city for it's citizens.
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related links Posted by 272666 on November 16, 2008 at 2:32 p.m.

Vicent Carranza is who we need to straighten this city out !
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related links Posted by 364856 on November 16, 2008 at 2:34 p.m.

Common sense is still not a part of the CC landscape.

Mini-dramas like this one - where no one in authority will make a timely decision - makes us all look stupid. Here's to another stupid investigation, with the absence of common sense, but also with great taxpayer expense.

If you only knew how ridiculos you'all look!!!
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related links Posted by 710237 on November 16, 2008 at 2:52 p.m.

I was not surprised that something came out during the weekend like this. It appears "they" always wait until a weekend to expose something...must be some sort of PR thing to try to keep things more quiet.

The other thing that comes to mind is that someone at the very last moment, out of total desperation, decided to pull out one more card and so it had to be investigated. Things were not going their way so they tried one more hand. Whatever it was, it better be the truth and not some shabby shananigan.

I, too, thought the Chief's proposal on the mount was embarrassing. Why take such a special moment and expose it out in the open like that in front of strangers? It was a bit over the top and a bit of grandstanding. I don't know why he felt he had to do something like that. To me, it cheapened the moment and made it appear that he wanted a lot of attention. Perhaps that was a manifestation of his character of wanting to be in the limelight. He probably needs to watch that. A good and great leader does not have to look for opportunities to be noticed.

But back to this fiasco...I still don't care what the Chief said or didn't say. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. If this whole thing is much ado about nothing, you are going to have a huge outcry from the citizens. The person who perpetuated this whole thing will be run out of town. The council members who comment will be looked up as big crybabies (which they are).

It's very clear to me that there are some unhappy and disgruntled police employees out there who have nothing better to do but sulley their organization. They sound like a bunch of old biddies having nothing to do but gripe and complain. I suggest they leave town and find employment elsewhere. Your type is not needed here. You are making yourself part of the problem and not the solution.

I will always support Chief Smith. He's done more for the department and the city than anyone before him.
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related links Posted by 713303 on November 16, 2008 at 2:52 p.m.

in response to 342632

It's an extremely thankless job that receives no accolades - why don't you do it? We elect them - why would the state intervene.
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related links Posted by 715318 on November 16, 2008 at 2:52 p.m.

I wonder if the new city manager is aware that he WILL be the next scape goat. It always ends up that way.
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related links Posted by 699873 on November 16, 2008 at 2:53 p.m.

Chief Smith has done many good things for this city, such as bringing it into the modern world of communications and stopping police special privileges. He is not perfect but he is very intelligent and much more honest than anyone else down there. Can you imagine having to straighten out that nest of vipers when he took over? An unqualified city manager has just made his first major mistake of many. Get rid of Escobar now before he does any more damage. City Hall is not Sunday School and cannot be run like one. Since Coretta Graham has made public pretty much that this is a racist city, one will always wonder if Smith's name had been Garcia, would he have been put on leave? I doubt it.
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related links Posted by 710237 on November 16, 2008 at 3:04 p.m.

in response to 699873

Believe me, had the Chief's last name been "Garcia" as you stated...he would have been put on leave way before this time.

Shame on the person who held out on some card that caused all this to happen at the last minute. It tells me that a group of officers are out there who are plotting every move very carefully. This whole stupid vendetta things stinks.

Once we find out who is behind all of this...I say we run them out of town..worthless spineless swine. They anger me much more than whatever the Chief said that was recorded.
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related links Posted by 236313 on November 16, 2008 at 3:11 p.m.

It is time for Smith to go, it no longer matters what kind of job he has done.. through his own actions he has tarnished the badge and the office he holds and no longer has the respect of the officers who serve the city, and sounds like the majority of the citizens have lost trust in him. I just hope he is not teaching ethics!! Good bye Smith, he should be fired for cause and given zero, nada, nothing but that is not the way of the city council, he will get his payday and be gone hopefully, we will read about him again someday, just like our former city manager out in california...he ran into a city council that held him to a higher standard and fired his behind with no severance.
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related links Posted by 709495 on November 16, 2008 at 3:28 p.m.

Let Rex Gabriel run for Chief of Police
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related links Posted by 420894 on November 16, 2008 at 3:40 p.m.

Misery loves company, Corpus deserves Smith.

Lights On
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related links Posted by 235825 on November 16, 2008 at 3:40 p.m.

Why don't you all wait and find the true facts first before we start accusing the Chief of any doings. We don't really know truly what happened. I do agree with you all about letting Escobar, Garrett and the rest of the City Council go. Remember you are innocent until proven guility and we have not heard his side or we have not heard anything. Everyone talks about everyone else. Chief Smith is not guilty of doing it because he is not the only one that talks about other people.
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related links Posted by 709495 on November 16, 2008 at 3:47 p.m.

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We should do a survey on how many people are depressed in Corpus .
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related links Posted by 247374 on November 16, 2008 at 3:57 p.m.

people..i no longer live in corpus and it is because there are few good jobs available for college graduates..this city has done nothing to attract business,taxes and housing costs have skyrocketed over the past ten years with no return from city government. The roads are bad and unless you like to fish watch semi pro sports you are out of luck as far as recreation goes..violent crime is high and wages are low..the police and fire departments are paid horribly..the city council made a joke of the city manager search and blew thousands of your dollars on a search firm. the citizens do nothing to hold the elected officials accountable..the police chief is a moron..first the marriage proposal, the drunken sex assault charge,questionable promotions,poor media relations and animosity with reporters(big mistake if you are a police chief),steroid policy withdrawn due to false positives requiring the hire back of officers, the major auto pound screw up costing taxpayers thousands of dollars and all officers with their jobs back and back pay,his relationship with mario celis,..that's just the public stuff!..these officers have got to be embarrassed to work for this man..when you take a high profile job like the chief of police you are under the spotlight and everything you do will be scrutinized..then we get the final screw up...i'm no police chief but when i put my phone in my pocket i make sure it is locked or off..that just goes to show his lack of judgement..and no one here knows what was said...for all of you preaching freedom of speech,you need to rethink your position..go make a recording saying how screwed up your boss is or call him names and then have it replayed to your boss..you would be or should be fired..if not for saying it then for being dumb enough to let it be recorded..once again we have no idea what he said..it might have been criminal in nature..we don't know...either way the new city manager with an engineering degree should get rid of the chief and get an OUTSIDER to take his place...good luck CC but yall have to demand accountablilty from your leaders not just blog about ...get to city hall and demand accountability!! it's your city and it's your money they are wasting frivolously !!! don't stand for it!
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related links Posted by 715318 on November 16, 2008 at 3:58 p.m.

in response to 710237

Capt Tisdale is the person behind it. He blackmailed the Chief. The recording was done earlier this summer. Why is it all of a sudden coming out now? HMMMM..maybe because Tisdale didn't get the promotion he wanted and was surpassed by a subordinate who is better qualified than he is.
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related links Posted by 713027 on November 16, 2008 at 4:08 p.m.

SO WHAT DID HE SAY?? iF IT WAS ME I would just come out and tell the public if i felt justified in saying it, and if i felt that i was not wrong in what i said , then i would have NO PROBLEMA in repeating it for anyone, so what's the delay ???? He should just hold a press conference, get it out, and be done with it. Then he won't keep all of the INQUIRING MINDS asking, and wondering what he said wrong. Is there something to hide?? If not, then he should not let this thing be held over his head UNLESS.......
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related links Posted by 701249 on November 16, 2008 at 4:19 p.m.

Now this makes sense.....He must have taught Adultry 101. That's is where my Ex husband (ccpd) must have aced that class. Thanks Chief!!!!!!!
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related links Posted by 713532 on November 16, 2008 at 4:26 p.m.

If this gets him out of office, then so be it. Graffiti, and gang violence are the worst they've ever been here. Let's get someone who's going to do something, Not just a warrant round-up once a year. This is a good day for Corpus.
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related links Posted by 237984 on November 16, 2008 at 4:29 p.m.

HE IS SUCH A DISGRACE!!! They should force him to resign after his several run-ins. He can't be trusted!!
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related links Posted by 273452 on November 16, 2008 at 4:30 p.m.

in response to 247374

thanks for the 'earnest' advise, skippy
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related links Posted by 715318 on November 16, 2008 at 4:45 p.m.

in response to 713027

He broke a policy which was wrong. The only problem is the officer that is hanging all of this over his head did the same thing and none of the attention is on him.

I am not saying that Smith is a great man. I think he has done some good to the dept but his personal life choices have hurt his image.

TIsdale is also a good man...well I thought he was until I heard about all of this and the way he secretly went about getting this out. If Smith goes then Tisdale should go or at least put back in patrol as a Senior Officer. Now if Smith is fired, then so should Tisdale. If not then an investigation for extortion should be put on him. Hey-- if we are going to clean house better do it the right way and not the half a** way.

Like I said before...I think Walsh would be a great chief but to be honest with all the backstabbing and vendettas that are obviously being shown throughout the dept..I would not even take the job if it were offered. That is just setting yourself up to be stoned by your very own and the community.

THE MAIN PROBLEM HERE LIES WITHIN OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS! THEY NEED TO BE CLEANED OUT COMPLETELY AND NEW MEMBERS NEED TO TAKE OVER.

We need changes in our city to benefit the citizens of CC not just the City Council members. They are already benefiting well from our pockets.
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related links Posted by 698476 on November 16, 2008 at 4:49 p.m.

The political world is a confusing one. There are good people out there who have given much of themselves for their community. Alas, there are an equal number who have hidden agendas. Public officials come in all shapes and sizes.

Chief Smith holds an impressive resume as far as the time he has spent with the department, and the various and sundry posts he has held in this community. To wit, Beautify Corpus Christi Board Member; Boys and Girls Club, Board President; Del Mar Legal Professions, Advisory Board Member; MHMR Advisory Council, Past Board Member; Padre Behavioral Health, Past Advisory Council Board Member; 2005 Relay for LIfe Board Member.

I have worked closely with political officials who were in much higher places than Captain Smith, and who dealt with higher issues. Some were not perfect by any means. I personally know of several who were shamed out of being public officials by a well known district attorney. These public officials were well known and basically had the community needs they represented in their hearts. Alas, they were also human and made personal mistakes in their own lives that eventually became their downfall. Some of these public officials worked diligently and succeeded in creating and supporting entities which to this day have helped so many in need. There are many humanity needs organizations which to this day have flourished and grown throughout the nation as a direct result of the public servants who although are not public officials anymore, worked their hearts out to accomplish.

Believe it or not, it is up to you, the citizens of Corpus Christi to make sure that the right people are in office who will work hard to improve our lives. The proof is smacking you in the face, but all the majority of you want to do is to complain and take no action at all.
Captain Smith is but one of the fish in the sea in this ridiculous government we have here. The bigger fish will always condemn. I have little respect for the government here.

I welcome any responses from anyone who is truly interested in making this city a better place to be.
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related links Posted by 462770 on November 16, 2008 at 4:55 p.m.

Whoever becomes the real Chief of Police better not trust Tisdale with anything but the coffee machine. He's gonna backstab whoever je wants to work his way into the chiefs job. The only thing he doesn't understand is nobody trust a rat and hes doomed for the rest of his career...
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related links Posted by 715290 on November 16, 2008 at 5:03 p.m.

in response to 462770

unless Torres is Chief - then Tisdale will be his XO as a reward

i think he should be in jail for extortion
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related links Posted by 714649 on November 16, 2008 at 5:11 p.m.

Our local government is just as broken as the federal... no leadership and no integrity and no individual freedom. Unfortunately, like we teach our children, one poor choice does not make you a bad person, but it can dramatically impact your future. That has happened to Chief Smith and it is a shame. However, the wrong person is getting the boot here.... the Chief should be on Lago's show first thing tomorrow telling the whole story and embarrassing the sheet out of the real bad guys here. He's going to have to resign anyway, they will never let him be effective. The city council and the police union are in cahoots and just as dirty as any New York or Chicago political machine ever was. Bryan - shine the light and watch the cockroaches run!

SECEDETEXAS!
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related links Posted by 713027 on November 16, 2008 at 5:14 p.m.

in response to 709495

You can tell by most of the blogs that about 85 % are. Sad.
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related links Posted by 715318 on November 16, 2008 at 5:17 p.m.

in response to 462770

Isn't that the truth. They will be nice to him but they will never trust him and guess what.....he will be talked about behind his back. Better check your unit or off duty mobile. It may be rigged with a recorder. That man obviously cannot be trusted.

The newly appointed Commander needs to really watch herself as she is probably going to be his next target or maybe her husband who is also a very well liked officer. He is mad over her promotion and this is where all of this has stemmed from.
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related links Posted by 709495 on November 16, 2008 at 5:18 p.m.

in response to 713027

I like to put my 2 cents in just to see people get mad and start arguing .
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related links Posted by 715318 on November 16, 2008 at 5:28 p.m.

in response to 701249

You know...you are right. They all seem to be more likely to cheat on their spouses. In fact a huge percent of them are on their 2nd or 3rd marriage. Their work life is so different from any other regular civilian that sometimes it is hard to have an understanding and healthy marriage. It is sad but there is nothing that can be done about that. You are known in the beggining what it is like to be married to one. If you are lucky and are very supposrtive and understanding of their job then the chances of being cheated on are very slim.

The worst time for this is when an officer is new to the department. All of the attention they get is new and it feels good to have women always flirting at you. Those Badge Bunnies are something else and do not care if they wreck your marriage. It is up to you to be strong and figure out a way around something like this. Get involved and show support. Don't gripe if he has to work late or wants to drink a beer with the guys (chior practice) The less griping and nagging you do the better off things will be for the both of you. It takes two to end a marriage. I am sure you weren't a sweet angel yourself.
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related links Posted by 713078 on November 16, 2008 at 5:29 p.m.

in response to 334391

From first hand experience, you say "First Ammendment" in a room full of City HR folks and they'll either faint dead away or start running around in panic circles! True! BTDT more than once...

Problem is the HR Director & City Attorney - they won't back up management in even the most blatant cases. That's why General Fund employees don't need or want a union - have the best of both worlds now!
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related links Posted by 239291 on November 16, 2008 at 5:33 p.m.

Fire Smith and be done with it. He continues to bring too much controversy to the CCPD. Enough is enough.

Under his leadership, or lack thereof, the CCPD has become a modern version of the Keystone Cops and a laughingstock locally. We have great police officers struggling to keep their heads up while being overseen by a clueless chief.

And like other narcissist top-cops in this country what is with the four stars on the lapel like he is General MacArthur!?
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related links Posted by 709495 on November 16, 2008 at 5:44 p.m.

in response to 239291

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH YOU MUST HAVE SEEN BILLY GENE
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related links Posted by 236373 on November 16, 2008 at 6:04 p.m.

in response to 710237

Actually, Smith hasn't done much. It was Alvarez that implemented the computers in the squad cars, the bike officers and the jet team.

Smith implemented a tattoo policy.

This whole thing about promoting the first woman commander is NOT the big deal everyone thinks it is. Cpt. Hernandez was more qualifiied and better experienced than Frese. I believe Frese worked for him when he was a Commander. It was just him taking care of her.

I don't think Smith will pull thru on this latest fiasco that he's managed to get himself in and wait to the Celis case begins his name is going to be all over the place again.

I think he's become an embarassment its time for him to go.
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related links Posted by 460608 on November 16, 2008 at 6:11 p.m.

I have no proof but I believe backstabbing and gossip is a pleasureable human trait. We normally don't do anything unless we derive some pleasure. Accordingly, the city hall employees down into the yards must be rife with pleasure.
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related links Posted by 714252 on November 16, 2008 at 6:13 p.m.

Chief Smith has NO morals or Shame. I don't believe we need a man like him as Chief Of Police.
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related links Posted by 342632 on November 16, 2008 at 6:24 p.m.

BOTTOM LINE:

Just what did Chief Bryan Smith say or do, to get him put on leave?
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related links Posted by 232395 on November 16, 2008 at 6:35 p.m.

in response to 715318

You obviously know what is going on in the CCPD, but your comments on the council are a laugh. Tell me how "all" of the council are benefiting by being on the council. You can make a case for some, but some are taking a loss to be there.
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related links Posted by 706714 on November 16, 2008 at 6:57 p.m.

I luv my CC.....ghetto by the bay
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related links Posted by 715558 on November 16, 2008 at 7:17 p.m.

As the recently divorced ex of a CCPD officer, I feel compelled to point out to the public that this department is corrupt and immoral from the top to the bottom. The citizens, specifically taxpayers of Corpus Christi should be able to hold these officers to a higher moral standard than other citizens. They are supposed to be in a position where our children look up to them. Instead, on any given day, you can find an officer in a police unit, on duty, carrying on with a paramour. How many of these officers are cheating on their spouses while on duty? A GREAT MAJORITY! How many units do they show on the MDT at the mud bridge at 3 in the morning? Far too many and they will never admit the lack of morality and consequences for these officers. How many times have officers and dispatchers been secretly counseled for using the department's computer system as a chat room or dating service? There are no consequences for being immoral with this department. It needs an overhaul... from top to bottom starting with Chief Smith. When he had no consequences for the rape incident, it affirmed to these immoral officers that they are ABOVE THE LAW! I hope the council does the RIGHT thing and sends all of the department a message by making an example of Bryan Smith.
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related links Posted by 711504 on November 16, 2008 at 7:34 p.m.

Yes...what did Chief Smith say or do?

It is extremely odd that they placed him on leave without telling taxpayers why.
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related links Posted by 352772 on November 16, 2008 at 7:38 p.m.

in response to 703998

The Chief doesn't teach 1st grade spelling bro.
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related links Posted by 409487 on November 16, 2008 at 7:38 p.m.

our city manager is taking over mmm makes you think whats next a new mayor
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related links Posted by 409487 on November 16, 2008 at 7:45 p.m.

in response to 247374

you hit this right one , i am always calling and complaining about things but it doesnt do any good they only say okay
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related links Posted by 352772 on November 16, 2008 at 7:46 p.m.

in response to 236373

Before you start talking like you know anything about the Chief of police, do your research. He has done ALOT more than implement a tattoo policy. Alvarez was a complete disgrace to the department. I hate to say this because I know he has passed, but he did nothing for the police department but move it backwards and scratch his buddies backs in the dept.

Smith has utilized funds all over the police department and has given money to parts of the PD that have been ignored for decades (i.e. squad car upgrades, bomb squad equipment, SWAT equipment, you name it, he has helped out the officers that have worked their asses off and have been ignored by Alvarez).

He was moving the department into the 21st century, and now I'm sure it will be slipping backwards AGAIN.
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related links Posted by 459610 on November 16, 2008 at 7:49 p.m.

In response to 260472

Caller Times was first to report that CCPD is now under the command of A.Chief, Walsh. My understanding is that no official communication has been disseminated to the troops. You would think that the CCPD e-mail system would be utilized to let the PD employees know of the change. But the way things operate down there maybe Walsh doesn't even know that he is in charge. Someone needs to wake up and get in the driver seat.
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related links Posted by 352772 on November 16, 2008 at 8:20 p.m.

in response to 459610

How do you know the e-mail system wasn't utilized unless you are a PD employee? Even if you are an employee, this change JUST happened. You can't expect a completely smooth transition with everything. I'm sure Walsh was the FIRST to know.

Plus, how would the PD have known? The city manager was the one to have made the change. Blame him, not the PD. I know a member of the PD and he told me last night at 10pm about the chief. So, sorry you were just out of the loop.
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related links Posted by 715560 on November 16, 2008 at 8:20 p.m.

Typical Corpus Christi
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related links Posted by 715318 on November 16, 2008 at 8:23 p.m.

in response to 352772

I don't always agree with some of the decisions that Smith has made but I do have to give him credit for what he has done already for the dept. He may not have great morals but he is good at what he does FOR the department. He as started many different programs that have been successful so far. Many that cannot stand him and have vendettas against him are trying so hard to kill what he has started.
I mean..you can hate the guy but do not punish the department for what good he has already done for CCPD. If you continue to stone the man he will never be able to stand on his feet and do his job.
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related links Posted by 256040 on November 16, 2008 at 8:44 p.m.

WHAT has Smith done? What???
New computer report writing system? It is a waste! Every other PD that had it has dumped it.

New uniforms? We are wearing 2 different uniforms. The new ones are BLACK and HOT! We look like every security guard in town.

Patrol Rifles? We have a policy, but not a single officer is carrying the rifles because the PD can't buy ammo due to the war. No wait, they lied on that excuse and now it is no money. Policy has been out almost a year and not a single bullet?

Increased manpower? STILL doing a study to see if we need more officers. It's been 2 years and we still have the same number of officers as under Chief Alvarez.

We got a bond approval for new elevators. Come see our PD!! The plaster is falling off the walls!! How much can it cost to fix the walls!!!!!!!! Its a disgrace....no..it's my work place!

We've promoted some people, but no one can make a decision on where to put them.

Tattoo policy? Well, sort of. You have to cover them, but not until we can get you a long sleeve shirt and they are not here yet.

The last time Chief Smith visited a patrol briefing? When he was crying about how much weight he lost and how much attorneys cost him after his last vacation, I mean suspension. He fattened up lately.

Your Corpus Christi Police Department is on cruise control. That's because we don't have anyone running it!
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related links Posted by 710828 on November 16, 2008 at 8:44 p.m.

Seriously, in an era of 'Change', our city sure doesn't know how to catch on. People across this nation were fed up with the way the same old political games were being played and the good ol' boy system was king. Those political games are nearly over, but locally our politicians just can't get the hint. Either they change or we change them... out of office.

We, as citizens of Corpus Christi, need to start our own movement for change.
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related links Posted by 712350 on November 16, 2008 at 8:56 p.m.

HOW' BOUT THEM COWBOYS....
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related links Posted by 712875 on November 16, 2008 at 9:15 p.m.

corpitos is as corpitos does
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related links Posted by 418288 on November 16, 2008 at 9:25 p.m.

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Eeyore,
I hope many good citizens will indeed march around City Hall in defense of one of our good cops---TISDALE. This chief is corrupt and he was the whistleblower.
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related links Posted by 273833 on November 16, 2008 at 9:30 p.m.

in response to 256040

Always nice to hear from the Union.
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related links Posted by 237099 on November 16, 2008 at 9:36 p.m.

in response to 342632

.... you will never know. Wait until you hear the reason they can't (won't) release what was said.
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related links Posted by 715318 on November 16, 2008 at 9:58 p.m.

in response to 256040

..and what position do you hold in the POA?
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related links Posted by 706714 on November 16, 2008 at 10:01 p.m.

I like the comment...nice to hear from the union.....wasn't chief smith a member of the "union" for 20 plus years???
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related links Posted by 237538 on November 16, 2008 at 10:05 p.m.

wow..
smith out tisdale with a demotion or suspension
coboys will beat the redskins
any takers?
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related links Posted by 237538 on November 16, 2008 at 10:21 p.m.

CCPD needs a Chief from outside with a mandate to clean house and to be able to bring his own people in.
Smith has shot himself in his feet twice and most Chief's don't even get one chance.
This Pd needs to get focused on fighting crime instead of each other. No accountability, no direction.
The only way to change th culture of CCPD is to bring someone from outside and allow that person to pick the best from outside and if some from inside has what it takes then choose them as well as part of the team. But new blood is needed.
If he or she can't get things done get another..but no more of the same lame B.s.
and no I am not from the union or the PD.
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related links Posted by 263504 on November 16, 2008 at 10:26 p.m.

Read your copy of the U.S. Constitution. I know we all have the right to "Freedom of Speech". I would say the only thing Chief Smith is guilty of is poor judgment. When you obtain a position of authority / high profile such as he has people will either love or hate you. A very close friend and mentor of mine retired a few years ago as a Chief of Police in a City much larger than this one and he was the Chief of a department double the size of this one. When he got the job his closest friend also on the list for the job suddenly became his worst enemy. This man who once called him friend went out of his way to bad mouth him and looks for ways to make him look bad. The department was split into two fractions; those who supported my friend and the supported the other guy. 5 years into the job a few problems arose within the department that caused the Chief to do some of the same things Chief Smith did. My friend fired a few officers, reassigned others, and defended the department against law suites. In the end the Police officers association wanted him fired because of the firings and reassignments. It was an election year in that city and the City Manager (running for Mayer) who hired him wanted him fired. The Mayor running for State Senator wanted him fired as well. In the end my friend hung on for an additional 5 months and than resigned. I am sure that when Chief Smith applied for the job others on the department applied as well; to include the former long time Assistant Chief Bung. I would bet that Assistant Chief Bung was not at all happy to see Brian get the job he wanted for years. I would bet that others that applied also felt the wrong man got the job. So I would bet money that some of those folks tried their best to make Chief Smith look bad at every turn. I would also bet that most of you that are posting comments about Chief Smith have never ever met him. I have met him and spoke to him numerous times because of my job (no I am not an officer on the PD or with any other department) however I have the utmost respect for Brian and feel he has nothing but the best intention for this city and department he loves so much. And going back to my first comment we all have the right to freedom of speech. Who amongst us has not talked bad about city counsel or for that matter a member of our own staffs or companies or places of employment? My point is the person who recorded this and tan passed it along was out to get Chief Smith. If this person is a Christian than I say to him "He who is innocent, let him cast the first stone". I would bet that this person is not innocent nor guilt free. I would bet that this person has from time to time spoken ill word about another person. And now this person has the audacity to record Chief Smith and pass it along. I ask you what for? It certainly was not to make Brian look good. It was to make him look bad for his own gain. And I say to this person remember God knows all of your guilt and wrong doing as well.
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related links Posted by 463468 on November 16, 2008 at 11:08 p.m.

For the uninformed, it has nothing to do with freedom of speech! He screwed up, he "Smith" violated department policy. There was more than just the Cpt.'s tape (he should get slammed too). Seems that Smith was making his own tapes. He's not the great guy some like to think he is. I would trade the new hot uniforms and the tattoo policy, and yes I guess even the tasers, for the disgrace he has brought to the department. And let's back up to the other issues. The rape allegation, if he wouldn't have been intoxicated, having consensual sex with a crazy woman, after getting engaged on tv at a baseball game; he could not have been accused of rape. Also there were numerous underlying issues envolving those accusations that were cause for termination. The Celis connection, does it exist or not? If you are a public figure, should you be hanging out and drinking at the Havanah Club?
The promotion of an unqualified Lt. to Cmdr, over all the Cpts. and numerous more qualified Lts. ( she didn't even take the Cpts. test)? The list goes on and on, he was a joke, he was compromised, he could not even discipline people who needed discipline. No matter how it happened it's done and good riddance.
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related links Posted by 235933 on November 16, 2008 at 11:32 p.m.

Small town simpletons trying to ACT like "big-time" people.

Whataburger needs to add to their menu for these guys:

"What-a-Joke on a Bun"

Two hunks of bread, no meat, and ignorance included without a napkin.

How PETTY are we going to get before we allow this PC thing really bites us in the butt down the road???
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related links Posted by 272017 on November 17, 2008 at 3:28 a.m.

in response to 363537

What part of "paid administrative leave" don't you get?
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related links Posted by 710237 on November 17, 2008 at 4:24 a.m.

Makes one wonder how the PD operates under such circumstances...one of their own using a tape to his advantage against the Chief. Who would ever want to work with that guy and trust him? Then to have to work where idiots are paying more attention to sabatoging the Chief rather than doing their jobs. You guys need to grow up.

Chief Smith, don't let them get you down. You have plenty of support out here...no matter what you said on that tape.
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related links Posted by 449976 on November 17, 2008 at 5:28 a.m.

Oh me..I am still laughing as I get up off the floor..my side hurts from laughing so hard. Ok.. I have my composure now. I left the "Sparkling City by the Sea" some 15 years ago. I worked for the city for 15 years, I left because the finger pointing and accusations were just kept in their own departments. Now.. Lets make them public for all to see, so I can boost my visibility in the public eye!! Corpus you are moving backwards!! Someone needs to step up and say "HEY.. stop it..lets get together in my or your office and discuss this like rational people, we represent the people..not ourselves!" Just my two cents. I will go back to my retirement chair now, drink my coffee, and try to catch my breath from all this humor!!
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related links Posted by 240665 on November 17, 2008 at 5:31 a.m.

Prop's to the new City Manager. Your gonna need some back up after a move like that. The good ole boy chief should have been gone a long time ago. Your the Man!! Now remove the chief and watch your back.
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related links Posted by 401467 on November 17, 2008 at 6:08 a.m.

Takes courage to do what is right, or what should have been done before.
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related links Posted by 459610 on November 17, 2008 at 6:21 a.m.

in response to 352772

Yes, you are right, I was not part of the loop. Please allow me to get down to your level. Based on your response you got to be in the loop to get PD information. OK lets just move on with PD business and not let the entire PD work force know about important change at the PD since they may not be in the LOOP also. OK I'm with you now. Gosh! I hope your not part of the Walsh transition team. Thanks again Caller Times for your quick and accurate reporting on what happening at the CCPD.
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related links Posted by 273833 on November 17, 2008 at 6:23 a.m.

in response to 706714

Most officers if not all are members of the union but if you think that means they actually support the positons taken by the so called leadership you need to think again.
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related links Posted by 710144 on November 17, 2008 at 6:32 a.m.

I too feel the city police do a good job, as they should they are paid quite well.
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related links Posted by 233517 on November 17, 2008 at 6:41 a.m.

Just put a Hispanic police chief in there and everyone will be happy--end of story.
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related links Posted by 710237 on November 17, 2008 at 6:45 a.m.

Ah, does anyone know what happened to the on-line paid obits? They haven't been on-line since Friday.

Sorry, I was hoping someone would know and tell me since this story happens to be getting a lot of attention.
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related links Posted by 460608 on November 17, 2008 at 6:55 a.m.

"The Good Old Boy System", I dunno know, never been in one. I sail solo like a pirate.

Henry Garrett retired then went on to something called (?) Director of Emergency Management a very smooth transition. I'm not sure, my city history is not that great (don't really care) but it seems to me that the Outsider Police Chief Olsen tried to "change the culture" failed and left town in a huff and went to Iowa.

Then Henry Garrett switches jobs and becomes Chief of Police another smooth transition. Corpitos is one of those kinds of places like most where if you belong to the right clique all transitions are smooth. We Pirates on the other hand have our sea legs.

Where is retiree Bung?
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related links Posted by 713089 on November 17, 2008 at 7:03 a.m.

Freedom Of Speech is moot in this action. He was on duty when the recording were made, and that means Freedom Of Speech is no longer his. He must follow the terms of his contract, the policies of the city, and the by laws of the city charter.
If he made defamitory remarks of someone and they were recorded, think of the tort case that person would have against the city: not the chief, as he was on the job when he made them.
Lawyers will go after the deeper pockets, and that is our city, not the police chief.
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related links Posted by 262709 on November 17, 2008 at 7:16 a.m.

Does this guy go looking for trouble? Or does it seem to know where he is most of the time?

Sad Times Bro.......Sad Times
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related links Posted by 245313 on November 17, 2008 at 7:19 a.m.

If he agreed to a contract that limits what he can say, perhaps the guy IS an idiot!!
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related links Posted by 698878 on November 17, 2008 at 7:22 a.m.

It is nice to see that one person can grab all of you who commented's attention. What you might want to consider is being places Sunday morning.
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related links Posted by 257135 on November 17, 2008 at 7:23 a.m.

in response to 233517

That is the ENTIRE problem.....putting an "ESCOBAR" in there and already problems with a "SMITH"......hmmmmm.....makes one wonder........................
FREEDOM OF SPEECH people. The only difference in Chief Smith and YOU is that he got caught and you haven't. And since no one has bothered to mention what it is that they "think" he said, it must be really nothing or it would have been plastered all over the media already.
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related links Posted by 248776 on November 17, 2008 at 7:26 a.m.

Shame on you CC city council for not acting. Bryan Smith again manages to put a black eye on Corpus Christi, and yet the council fails to act.
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related links Posted by 245928 on November 17, 2008 at 7:31 a.m.

Congratulations to Acting Chief Walsh.

Chief Bung, after 48 years of service, reportedly wanted to fix golf carts and spruce up his rental properties... it's been a few weeks, somebody give him a call !!!!
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related links Posted by 707424 on November 17, 2008 at 7:45 a.m.

This is too funny!
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related links Posted by 248620 on November 17, 2008 at 7:49 a.m.

in response to 248776

The city council did not have the information until after the city manager acted. That's how the council-manager form of government works. The city manager is in charge of personnel, not the city council.
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related links Posted by 342632 on November 17, 2008 at 8:08 a.m.

in response to 248620

The city manager is a puppet for the Mayor & City Council.
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related links Posted by 704925 on November 17, 2008 at 8:16 a.m.

Reading the comments on this site is a sad commentary on human nature. The book "The Call of the Wild" identifies the viciousness of the pack mentality. The other wolves wait until the leader is down, then ALL attack for the kill. Chief Smith began his 27 year career as a young Police Officer who hoped and tried to make a difference. He suffered many physical injuries on the job. As he progressed thru the ranks he sacrificed much of his personal life spending long hours speaking to PTA, Civic organizations, etc., warning Mothers & Fathers of the danger signs when their children were becoming involved with gangs. He worked with organizations such as Boys & Girls Club and many others to involve youngsters in healthy activities. He spent many evenings and week-ends counciling youngsters and their parents to keep them from joining gangs. Some of these parents contact the Chief every now and then to give him an update on the progress of their children.

You Wolves won't have any difficulty identifying yourselves but when you reach the afterlife you will get your "REWARD."

Thanks Eeyore and you other good people. Your goodness surrounds you like a shining light.

Thanks Chief Smith for making a difference in so very many lives.
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related links Posted by 704925 on November 17, 2008 at 8:20 a.m.

in response to 704925

For you who like to correct spelling errors, I mispelled the word "counseling" --- sure wish we had spell check on this thing----LOL
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related links Posted by 320071 on November 17, 2008 at 8:27 a.m.

in response to 713089

Oh, so it was alright for President Clintont to have sex in the oval office and lie about it, but a city employee can not have a lapse in
judgement and say something he shouldn't have, but gets fired for it?

And what about the Capt. who turned in the recording? In my mind that equates to bribery and he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Will that happen? No, not in this town.

Having lived here since the time of Runyan and Avant, things never change.
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related links Posted by 711346 on November 17, 2008 at 8:42 a.m.

in response to 709495

The term "teacher" does not apply in college. Try again.
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related links Posted by 257135 on November 17, 2008 at 8:45 a.m.

in response to 711346

I guess Professor's don't teach???????
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related links Posted by 294442 on November 17, 2008 at 8:55 a.m.

The root of this and most of the problems is the unions. The unions have caused destruction in almost every aspect of our world. At one point in time they served a purpose but have long outlived that. They are nothing more than legal extortionist. I hope the auto industries have to go belly up and file bankruptcy. Then they might get rid of the unions and come back with an American made product that is actually worth the money you pay. POA go away.
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related links Posted by 263504 on November 17, 2008 at 8:55 a.m.

in response to post 463468, not sure what department policy you are referingto since I am not a member of the department, however I know several officers with the department and on numerous occasions had them both in and out of uniform bad mouth a lt here a capt there or for that matter a fellow officer while on patrol.

I guess since you seem to know so much about the department and all of the policies than I guess you must be withthe department or the city. And since you are above reproach you have never said one bad thing about any other person who works for the city in any level what so ever. And since this must be so than you must be the second comming of Christ to be so fault free.

Give me a break. OH Lord save us now, a member of the department spoke bad about another member of the department or the city. You know what get a life and get over it. This is life, people say bad things about other people and some time they mean it. Other times they did not. And some times what they say is right on the money.

As an example, I have been on numerous ride alongs with friends, one night we responded to a call along with other officers. One officer stayed in his car for over an hour we were at this call. When we finished I asked my friend what was up with that officer. My friend said he is a lazy (F%$@) who never gets out of his car except whe it is time to eat, or get off his shift. Why is this type of officer still on the department. Either retire or quit or some one fire him. If Chief Smith was speaking about this type of officer thna I say speak up and say it over and over again. OH and fire the guy and all like him.
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related links Posted by 447659 on November 17, 2008 at 9 a.m.

POLITICS ---where can you work and not have this sillyness?

Think about it. You know good and well smith never thought he was being recorded.
You also know good and well that if a person has a hidden tape recorder he is asking "leading" questions.

The city manager has to be dumber than dirt to not see this.
This is "he said she said" and the city manager could be entrapped just as easy as the chief.
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related links Posted by 236373 on November 17, 2008 at 9:03 a.m.

in response to 273833

How come every time someone complains about the chief he's automatically labeled as a union member?

I mean it was NOT the union that made him visit his ex girlfriend while he had just proposed to his wife at Whataburger filed!

It was NOT the union that made him make these recorded disparaging remarks!

Why don't you look at the facts before you make assumptions!
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related links Posted by 329836 on November 17, 2008 at 9:06 a.m.

I am ready for some different headlines in the news.
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related links Posted by 706714 on November 17, 2008 at 9:11 a.m.

Bravo!................A "Chief Olsen" reference........did you know that he left here and later ended up a Chief of Police in upstate New York. He pissed off so many people up there that he woke up one morning with a bomb attached to his car. And we consider Corpus Christi "ghetto by the bay" was a rough place to be a public official.....got nothing on Yonkers, NY.
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related links Posted by 704925 on November 17, 2008 at 9:12 a.m.

Whatever he said must have been a real DOOZIE!!!!! LOL!!!
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related links Posted by 710826 on November 17, 2008 at 9:13 a.m.

in response to 329836

"I am ready for some different headlines in the news."

Agree, kind of makes you miss stories about dirty diapers in the Walmart parking lot. So far 132 comments on something that nobody knows anything about with any degree of certainty, its all speculation and guesswork.
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related links Posted by 241339 on November 17, 2008 at 9:16 a.m.

Most of the Men and Women are very professional Police Officers. They should be commented for their ongoing outstanding performance. They have done this during the on again off again turmoil caused by some senior staff members. This has caused a general lack of leadership in some areas, yet the Officers continue to tow the rope in a impressive manner. We should be cautious if a new Chief has to be selected. Change is not always positive. Don't know what was said about whom. A leader should be loyal and a positive role model both to his superiors and subordinates.
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related links Posted by 329836 on November 17, 2008 at 9:19 a.m.

in response to 710826

well said!
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related links Posted by 448633 on November 17, 2008 at 9:36 a.m.

This all sounds like all the small towns around here, doesn't it, he said, she said KRAP. Lets try for a bloodless take over!
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related links Posted by 291136 on November 17, 2008 at 9:37 a.m.

Sadly, folks, when it comes to your job you DO NOT have Freedom of Speech. They can fire you for saying the wrong thing, or sending the wrong email, or having the wrong picture up at your desk. They can fire you for an innocent remark that someone else took the wrong way.

Whatever he said, if he even said it, he's not protected against losing his job because of the 1st Ammendment.
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related links Posted by 232795 on November 17, 2008 at 9:42 a.m.

hmmm... just wonder if what he had to say was true! It sure seems like someone is trying their best to get rid of him.
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related links Posted by 710197 on November 17, 2008 at 9:44 a.m.

Forrest Gump and the Box of Chocolates have turned the city culture into something resembling that of a Klingon battle cruiser. The only way to move up is not by merit, but only by assassination - character assassination. FG and BC have never supported the police chief just like they never supported the previous city manager. They only want people they can control. Bryan Smith is as much a victim of the city's lack of leadership and integrity as was Skip Noe. Good men trying to do a good job will never be successful when men and women of low moral standards but high political correctness oppose them at every turn. This city has promoted mediocrity and destroyed excellence at every chance. Strong leaders have strong opinions and make decisions that are frequently unpopular. You have to break eggs to make an omelet. You have to cut trees to build parks and roads. The leadership in this city will soon have us living in trees and caves after they spend our recent bond money on consultants whose advice they will ignore. Isn't that how we got our new city manager?

My condolences to Chief Smith - I hope you make them pay out your contract plus whatever the lawyers can get you and start again somewhere where intelligence and forward thinking are not negative attributes and squashed by overwhelming ignorance. OH, LOOK, I made disparaging comments about the city powers that be. I am waiting for the knock at my door......

Eeyore
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related links Posted by 704769 on November 17, 2008 at 9:50 a.m.

in response to 363537

He is on paid leave and I feel sure he will be found innocent again, what else is new with this guy? He is so full of himself, someone needs to put him in his place. I
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related links Posted by 714676 on November 17, 2008 at 9:51 a.m.

But hey, don't forget, he DID get the ccpd a new work out gym which I know they dont use...
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related links Posted by 704925 on November 17, 2008 at 9:57 a.m.

in response to 710197

I agree totally. I add my condolences to yours for Chief Smith. I hope he will resign or retire and get out of that cesspool. I admire the effort he has put forth to get the PD up to snuff with modern technology and the re-organization he has implemented.

If we don't get active and elect competent people to the Mayor's Office and the City Council, we will have no good people left. Huh-00000, that was a disparaging remark, I think I hear Big Brother knock, knock, knocking on my door.
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related links Posted by 699260 on November 17, 2008 at 10:20 a.m.

Either he said something he shouldn't have or didn't...I don't think it should be taking this long to listen to a recording...

Sweetie
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related links Posted by 244414 on November 17, 2008 at 10:35 a.m.

There is not much our local leadership can do to improve our police force, big cities have tried and failed. Its a fact that half of big city cops are on the take.Give a gun and a badge to a young person and its human nature for some of them to go bad and give the rest of the force a bad name.

We are lucky we only have a small percentage of corrupted officers in the force, some of them haved been moved from our impound lot, etc. What else can you do? You can't fire them because they have too much damaging information on their peers and their commanders.
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related links Posted by 463468 on November 17, 2008 at 10:36 a.m.

in response to 263504

So you did a ride along with someone and you can make an informed decision? (did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express too) Obviously you would not know what policy he violated, "this time"...... Why don't you ask your buddies. It will all come out sooner or later; and as I stated in my earlier post the Cpt. should get slammed too. HE IS THE CHIEF, HE IS AND SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD!
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related links Posted by 235596 on November 17, 2008 at 11:05 a.m.

freedom of speech! whats the matter people? when did it become illegal to talk trash? I'll talk a little trash with you right now. thats my right!
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related links Posted by 365790 on November 17, 2008 at 11:09 a.m.

in response to 363537

Duh, what do you think PAID administrative leave is. Just that, not vacation time.

Everyone deserves to say what they think, regardless of whether or not they are co-workeers or elected city officials. Who recorded him in his own office. Reasonable expectation of privacy and freedom of speech?? The constution 1 applies to all of us.
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related links Posted by 242207 on November 17, 2008 at 11:11 a.m.

The man is a pig, he has already admitted to cheating on his fiance, and know this just proves he is lacking in ethics. It would be diffrent if he sold shoes at the mall, but he is a leader in our community and should be held to a higher standard, he failed!

Get rid of him, and it does not matter what good things he did in the past, Andrea Yates was a good mother until she drowned all her children. Obvioulsely he has fallen of the decent human being wagon.
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related links Posted by 705175 on November 17, 2008 at 11:16 a.m.

Why is our police chief making negative news as much as he is? Is this normal in other cities?
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related links Posted by 710237 on November 17, 2008 at 11:26 a.m.

Sweetie, do you know why the on-line paid obits have been missing for the last couple of days?

Thank you...always know stuff.
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related links Posted by 253002 on November 17, 2008 at 11:27 a.m.

in response to 237538

Interesting suggestion - the bottom line is really people want is an honest, upright person running the show that implements strong accountability standards. We just want someone to do things RIGHT with as pure motives as possible. But I really don't think this type of person exists anymore.
To the Chief: I believe you are doing a good job- but might I suggest that if you know that you have enemies within the PD - use wisdom and discretion - read the Proverbs in the Bible - learn your lesson in order to protect yourself from the back-stabbers.
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related links Posted by 710826 on November 17, 2008 at 11:29 a.m.

in response to 705175

"Why is our police chief making negative news as much as he is? Is this normal in other cities?"

Probably because this is Corpus. The power brokers are not pleased and he has become an issue. If he was not a problem for the power brokers he could have danced naked on the bridge and we would not have been reading about it.

This is why Corpus looks like it looks, this is why Corpus elects the people that it elects, this is why Corpus is still in the 19th century, this is why so many young, talented people hook it out of town quick in a hurry.

We probably have more to work with than most cities in the country, just stand almost anywhere along Shoreline and look east and try to think where else you could get such a view. Miami should wish for a minute right along with Myrtle Beach and Virginia Beach. But no, it can;t be allowed to happen here, just take a ride almost anywhere downtown and check out all the vacant buildings and vacant lots. Then ride down a main drag like Staples and try as hard as you can to look for positives.
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related links Posted by 710197 on November 17, 2008 at 11:31 a.m.

in response to 244414

" Its a fact that half of big city cops are on the take."

That is not a fact and you are a liar. But I mean that in the nicest way. There is a tremendous amount that local leadership could do to improve the police force, starting with supporting the police force with funding and avoiding internal meddling such as we see here.

Eeyore
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related links Posted by 710237 on November 17, 2008 at 11:38 a.m.

Okay, so what did he exactly say on that tape? Some knows out there that can share here with us.

We all have a right to know.
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related links Posted by 707424 on November 17, 2008 at 12:16 p.m.

Until we know what the "new" information is that put the Chief on administrative leave, it's all speculation. Hope this sends a message to EVERYONE that any remarks of a personal nature that can be overhead or better yet recorded by anyone, can get you in a bit of trouble. I venture a guess that not one of the people involved in this process can categorically deny that they have never uttered a statement about another person that can be deemed to be negative in nature. Wonder if this issue would even be known if the person submitting the tape had a rank of Commander instead of Captain? People who live in glass houses...
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related links Posted by 699873 on November 17, 2008 at 12:37 p.m.

Chief Smith is a fantastic leader and an extremely bright man. We need more like him instead of follow along sheep or people on the take or more interested in advancing themselves thru back room deals. . The man has totally reorganized and cleaned house of most of the unethical persons, he has introduced new technology and goes above and beyond with his community work. He does not hide behind his position and admits when he is wrong, What more do you want folks?
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related links Posted by 714247 on November 17, 2008 at 12:41 p.m.

I find it hard to believe that this situation could get to this point over mere gossip. Chief BS must have said something more than what amounts to "So-and-so is a jerk". There must have been something volatile in what BS said, something threatening or terroristic possibly. I can't stand BS, but when this latest scandal popped up I didn't believe it would have gone on this long or this far. I thought BS would have gotten out of it and would be back at work by now.

If it is at this point do you think he could have made some kind of threat to a person's job, family or life?
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related links Posted by 715527 on November 17, 2008 at 12:50 p.m.

I think Saturday Night Live should come to CC and hear about what goes on in CC. All what goes with the politics and media stations is so much drama and comedy.

With all this that goes on it is a no wonder big companies don't come here. It seems like after people graduation get on I-37 and they're gone and only come back to visit family and friends. And how come it takes so long for a certain business or restaurant to come to Corpus. Look how it took for Jack In The Box to finally come here.

As far as the CCPD is concerned it is time for new leadership cause the promoting within has not worked this chief or the previous one. Chief P. Alvarez was an embarrassment to the department couldn't speak English well and did nepotism giving promotions to his son, nephew and other family members in the dept. Then when his under age son got pulled over after drinking and driving his son got no DWI or MIP and got a free ride home. Then you have Chief B. Smith and his curruptive practices and poor leadership he need to go eventhough he has been with CCPD for 27 years. It is time to look outside for the next Police Commissioner.

As far as the city council is concerned Ms. Cooper needs to go she has been there way to long and just to be another Sarah Palin. I hope the citizens go out and vote in the city election this coming April. Don't let the Joe Fultons, Sam Susser's, Jerry Kane's, Mike Carrell's and Ruben Bonilla's decide for you.
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related links Posted by 699260 on November 17, 2008 at 12:53 p.m.

in response to 710237

Sorry, I have no earthly idea...you stumped me today...lol!

But, I did e-mail CCCT and ask what the deal was, so if and when I hear back from them, I'll let you know what they say.

Sweetie ;-)
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related links Posted by 233778 on November 17, 2008 at 1:29 p.m.

What would Mr. Tinker do...??
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related links Posted by 342632 on November 17, 2008 at 1:35 p.m.

This isn't right. We hear that our Chief of Police is placed on paid leave and never told the reason why. All that everyone is now doing is guessing & speculating. This is not right. The citizens of this city should be told just what's going on. Why are they keeping it a secret from us?
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related links Posted by 235596 on November 17, 2008 at 1:48 p.m.

FAIR IS FAIR !!!
WE WANT THE TRUTH
FAIR IS FAIR!!!
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related links Posted by 371255 on November 17, 2008 at 2:04 p.m.

in response to 235596

OK BILLIE JEAN...LOL JUST KIDDING
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related links Posted by 240665 on November 17, 2008 at 2:08 p.m.

Placed on leave again With Pay???? That's free money!! Make him swept the sewers or something that he is close too. Maybe that's the gutter. Hey, we could wash his mouth out with soap. What a rip off. Fire him so I don't have to pay his salary.
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related links Posted by 420543 on November 17, 2008 at 2:27 p.m.

blahblah blah omaba will get him off of this! just watch full pardon!
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related links Posted by 710704 on November 17, 2008 at 2:47 p.m.

in response to 715558

Dang, can you say, BITTER, bad divorce huh hun? You can feel "compelled" to say all you want about the police officers, its not all the officers that are running around acting a fool. But any where you go you will find this kind of activity, its people in power, they take advantage of it.
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related links Posted by 352772 on November 17, 2008 at 2:52 p.m.

in response to 715318

What are you talking about? I was defending Smith and praising him against people stoning him. Duh.
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related links Posted by 352772 on November 17, 2008 at 2:58 p.m.

in response to 459610

Ha ha!!! Hilarious. Are you one of those people sitting at HEB trying to sell more papers. Sounds like it.
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related links Posted by 710237 on November 17, 2008 at 3:01 p.m.

in response to 699260

Thank you, Sweetie. We all know we can count on you.
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related links Posted by 238495 on November 17, 2008 at 3:08 p.m.

Escobar said new info. came to light. What he played the other side of the tape and found something new What a JERK!! FIRE THAT CITY MANAGER NOW.
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related links Posted by 248620 on November 17, 2008 at 3:14 p.m.

"The move marks the first major decision since Escobar was named city manager Wednesday." No, the first major decision was to give the details of what went on in executive session to the Caller.
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related links Posted by 699260 on November 17, 2008 at 3:14 p.m.

in response to 710237

I try...still waiting for a response from CCCT. E-mailed them around 12:50 this afternoon.

Sweetie ;-)
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related links Posted by 252401 on November 17, 2008 at 3:47 p.m.

Why??? Why???
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related links Posted by 272666 on November 17, 2008 at 4:10 p.m.

Leave Smith alone, just another inocent bumb being railed roaded by a disgruntled employee- that works for him and is mad about something. This age of communication is really ruining people if you want some REALLY GOOD POLICE CHIEF stories you need only go back to our mayor that was the police chief before he was mayor, his stories are criminal and everyone thinks he is such a charming man---you all don't know the REAL Mayor or former POLICE CHIEF
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related links Posted by 706602 on November 17, 2008 at 5 p.m.

Probably was never a tape, per se. This was recorded on a phone's voicemail, and it would have to be a mighty old one to still be using a tape. Might have been a cellphone/digital phone voicemail, anyway, which certainly would not involve any tape.

Media stories released info to add up that it was Chief Smith, who accidentally activated the 'redial' button on his cell phone, while he was in a closed door meeting with FBI agents, who were helping the CCPD. His redial called up another police officer, who did not answer his phone, but rather it went to his voicemail.

He or she (the one who the Chief's redial called) had the voicemail message as an ongoing conversation between Chief Smith and the agents. The Chief's voice likely would have been closest to the microphone on his own phone, so his voice was probably recognizable. Maybe not every word was intelligible though, as who knows how much could be heard, if the Chief was not talking directly toward the mic .

And what are the chances that the Chief would have been speaking toward the mic on his phone, since he had probably stashed it, or perhaps put it on the conference table to his side, at best.

So another CCPD officer has this recording on his or her phone voicemail, and thinks that he or she heard something that should actually be reported as a violation of policy, or perhaps reported for ulterior motives, who knows.
(continued next post)
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related links Posted by 706602 on November 17, 2008 at 5:01 p.m.

Maybe the reasons for the dalay of decision-making over this are two-fold. For one, finalize the selection of the new City Manager, since that's who the Police Chief works for. Secondly, have the voices and words analyzed to determine what was said for sure, and by whom. That could actually take an FBI audio lab to do properly.

So, here we are a few weeks later. City Manager is selected, and perhaps the sound lab results have been completed and recieved by him. The Chief gets suspended, but should have due process to clear his name, if he desires to do so - and it seems he does, since this article reports that he is seeking legal representation.

Do you think the Chief has actually heard the recording in evidence? I doubt that very much. It would be improper for him to have heard it, at this point.

Do you think the Chief knows what is on the recording? Perhaps, but probably only if someone very close to this case against him has heard it, and has revealed it to him (improperly, if so).

Do you think he would remember what all he said at that closed door meeting with the FBI, months ago? I doubt it. Think of the number of high level meetings he must attend, and what might be said off the cuff, and in jest - but perhaps also in an inappropriate way, if taken out of context.

And this recording was certainly a mere snapshot, out of the context of a larger, more serious, conversation. Who knows if the Chief might also have said that he was just joking and really has a lot of respect for (whoever) he might have just been making a joke about, to break the ice at the beginning of an otherwise very serious conversation with dedicated FBI Special Agents.

After all, just read the weekend column, "Political Pulse," and note how someone could take those mostly derogatory comments out of the context of otherwise good-natured humor and ice-breaking, just trying to lighten things up a bit.

Is the CCPD Chief just guilty of making a comment like the County Comissioners and Council Members are always quoted in making, weekly in the Political Pulse?

We should know eventually, but not immediately, as this process may take a while. In any case, the Chief should be allowed to explain himself/defend himself.
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related links Posted by 263650 on November 17, 2008 at 5:08 p.m.

I say this to the Chief of Police: You are far too good of a man to remain the Chief of Police. You are too caring and goodhearted to have to deal with slander and lies. My advice would be for you to retire for the good of yourself and your family because obviously, the disgruntled officers can convince too many Citizens of Corpus Christi to turn on you even though there is no proof of wrongdoing. Go in peace as you have nothing to prove to anyone. Thank you...... for your dedicated years of service and may God and Peace be with you.
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related links Posted by 358074 on November 17, 2008 at 5:46 p.m.

in response to 263650

Yes, Cheif Smith, at the end of the day, is a sinner just as all of us are. God loves no one better than another. God bless Cheif Smith, his wife and their newborn son. I'm sure this is very hard for all of them.
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related links Posted by 714247 on November 17, 2008 at 5:49 p.m.

in response to 263650

At this point no one can say that he is absolutely innocent. No one will tell us citizens anything. I wish we could find out what was on that tape.

As for CCPD convincing too many citizens to turn on BS. They didn't have to twist my arm. The person that I feel the most sorry for in all this, besides we the people of CC, TX, is Patricia Zovodsky. She was too good for that bum in the first place. She backed the wrong horse. She should've run screaming out of that stadium while she had the chance.
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related links Posted by 462770 on November 17, 2008 at 6:15 p.m.

Its amazing that a guy that was so hesitant in accepting the job of city manager places the Chief of Police on suspension as one of the first things he does.... Maybe in that 24 hours of hesitation he found a friend he wants to propose as chief..

Hopefully, when we get rid of these bums on the Council the new council will fire Escobar for cause and we can get a real administrator instead of washed up out of date engineer.....
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related links Posted by 245928 on November 17, 2008 at 6:35 p.m.

What a shame it would be if our city's police chief is released over this "comment" brew-hee-haa for as I see it, notable arrests are being made nearly every day and and heavy sentences are too, meaning CCPD is doing excellent work across the board with the high profile cases and isn't the chief responsible for that?
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related links Posted by 709562 on November 17, 2008 at 7:07 p.m.

CHIEF SMITH NEEDS TO GO!! THIS JERK HAS FOOLED ALOT OF PEOPLE. JUST WAIT UNTIL THE CELIS COURT CASE COMES UP. CELIS AND YOUR CHIEF WERE SEEN OFTEN AT THE HAVANA CLUB. JUST ASK THE EMPLOYEES WHO WORK THE BAR. THIS GUY IS A TOTAL JOKE. I HAVE SEVERAL FRIENDS AT THE PD (OFFICERS AND CIVILIANS) AND EACH HAVE TOLD ME THEY WERE SO UPSET WITH ALL THE MESS AT THE PD. THIS GUY HAS DONE NOTHING BUT BAD DECISIONS . THE COMPUTER SYSTEM IS A BIG MONEY PIT. IT DOES NOT WORK AND MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON UPGRADES DUE TO THE PROBLEMS. ASK CHIEF SMITH HOW MUCH MONEY/FAVORS HE AND CMDR. UHLER GOT FROM THE COMPANY. ASK CHIEF SMITH HOW HE REALLY SPENDS HIS CRIME CONTROL MONEY. HOW HE MAKES SURE HIS BROTHER IS IN A SPECIAL UNIT (DPO) JUST SO HE COULD BE SAFE. ASK CHIEF SMITH ABOUT THE PROMOTIONS. WHY WOULD HE PROMOTE A WOMAN (FRESE) TO COMMANDER. WHY WOULD HE PROMOTE THIS WOMAN WHO DID NOT WORK FOR OVER 8 MONTHS AND THEN GIVE HER A BIG PROMOTION. WHO PROMOTES SOMEONE LIKE THIS?? HMMM. AND WHY IS HER HUSBAND ASSIGNED TO A SPECIAL UNIT?? THE ANSWERS BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL GOOD FRIENDS. IF YOU ARE A FRIEND OF THE CHIEF YOU GET SPECIAL ASSIGNMENTS. THIS CHIEF NEEDS TO GO AND THOSE OFFICERS WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN SPECIAL TREATMENT NEED TO GO BACK TO THE STREETS AND FINALLY WORK FOR A LIVING. OFFICERS WHO HAVE WORKED AND PROVEN THEMSELVES SHOULD BE GIVEN THE BEST WORK ASSIGNMENTS AND PROMOTIONS. SO BEFORE YOU SAY HE IS A GOOD CHIEF FIND OUT THE FACTS YOU MAY NOT THINK SO WHEN YOU KNOW THE TRUTH. ASK THE CCPD OFFICERS THEY KNOW WHAT WAS SAID ON THE TAPE AND THE SPECIAL FRIENDS CHIEF SMITH HAS TAKEN CARE OF. I SUPPORT THE CCPD AND THE HARD WORKING MEN AND WOMEN IN BLUE.
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related links Posted by 715290 on November 17, 2008 at 7:38 p.m.

in response to 709562

What kind of bar slug moron are you? You have been making these Celis allegations for months now and they still aren't true. Now you are slandering some very good and hard working officers out of what sounds like sour grapes to me. Do you really think that Commander Frese shouldn't have been promoted after all her hard work, just because she was out on medical leave battling cancer? You must be some kind of Neanderthal misogynist knuckle-dragger. Just exactly the kind of meat-head that would think he deserves promotion when all he has done is show up to work and punch a clock for umpteen years. Yeah, exactly who Bryan Smith would NOT promote. You are obviously not even bright enough to NOT SHOUT online. Every 5 year-old knows all caps is rude. I just BET you have friends at the PD....or so they tell you.... or good cover? you know these ID #'s are not really anonymous... your FRIENDS know who you are.....you may as well sign your name, coward

Bluemagic
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related links Posted by 714247 on November 17, 2008 at 7:45 p.m.

in response to 709562

No need to shout. But I agree that the BS should be taken out of the position. Eventually BS will be fired, if not for this incident, then definitely the NEXT.
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related links Posted by 342632 on November 17, 2008 at 7:49 p.m.

WHAT WAS ON THE TAPES? This is not right. We all get a part of the story and not the whole story of what happen. This is why everyone is guessing just what took place. The city officials should just let it all come out so that all the guessing will stop. It's public information and all should come out. Enough already.....
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 17, 2008 at 7:56 p.m.

in response to 709562

Obviously posted by someone whom Smith passed over for promotion. The CCPD has a Corrupt Captains Clique (including the one who unsuccessfully tried to blackmail Chief Smith with the recording) who take care of one another.

When Smith promoted the eminently more qualified instead of a member of the Corrupt Captains Clique, they set out to destroy him. You are witnessing their plan in action.
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related links Posted by 554371 on November 17, 2008 at 8:04 p.m.

nothing on the tapes is worse than an avg. posting at caller.com
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related links Posted by 712335 on November 17, 2008 at 8:12 p.m.

They just need to get rid of this guy once and for all!
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related links Posted by 715290 on November 17, 2008 at 8:35 p.m.

What do you want to bet that we don't get to find out what was said because it is part of some secret investigation...? How wonderful that the brand new semi-qualified city manager managed to get into some nefarious skulduggery before the ink was dry on his contract. Which council members are pulling his strings? I would pay a pretty penny to have been a fly on the wall when this lame excuse of a police captain tried to extort favoritism from the chief. I wonder what the FBI guys involved think of having THEIR conversation taped by a washed-up loser like this Tisdale guy? How sad to have your only method of getting promoted be a crime. How awful for the good cops to have to show up and work for a disgraced moron with no integrity. Who else is in this Corrupt Captains Clique, 700015? I bet Tisdale would sell them out, too for the right amount $$$

BlueMagic
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related links Posted by 262709 on November 17, 2008 at 8:44 p.m.

in response to 714247

" No one will tell us citizens anything. "

I just cut a fart that has precipitated a national health emergency in Central Texas and it is headed your way.

There now you have been warned ahead of time. can't say you did not know.
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related links Posted by 709562 on November 17, 2008 at 9:12 p.m.

Did someone say "qualified" ??
For those who read this blog Frese was not qualified for the position of Commander. Frese does not deserve the position and she knows it. Frese got the position because Smith gave it to her. Several Lieutenants more qualified then her should have been given the position. Frese spent very little time in patrol as a supervisor. The lies printed in the Caller about her doing 11 years on the street were all lies. They are just trying to make her look good so the public can accept her. What should have been written was that she was the supervisor for the Boys Scouts (Explorers) and the DPOS. A real supervisor leads men and women.
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related links Posted by 715457 on November 17, 2008 at 9:19 p.m.

Hehe.. to protect and serve, eh? Keystone cops at their best.
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related links Posted by 715318 on November 17, 2008 at 9:23 p.m.

in response to 715290

That bar slug moron you are talking about is a cop pretending to be just a friend of other officers. Check out the all caps typing. It can only be that of an officer or a dispatcher.
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related links Posted by 715318 on November 17, 2008 at 9:36 p.m.

in response to 709562

Talk about being disgruntled....

Maybe those that had more tenor than she were not trustworthy to command. Maybe the chief was trying to weed out those good old boys/gals and bring in a more serious crew.

If the chief did not have his personal issues all out of wack he would make a great chief. He has great ideas and he knows what he is doing up there. It is just a shame that he cannot chose normal women, keep his mouth shut, and control his behavior. That is what is really hurting him here. Do not put down Heidi. She is a good officer and has worked hard. There are other female officers there with less years that have moved up the ladder that really DID NOT deserve to. There was one that was wearing so much makeup when she first got on that they had to tell her to tone it down. She did not even want to suit up because her hair would get messy. If anyone deserves a promotion it is Heidi.
As for Tisdale.....he might as well as pack up and leave. Nobody is going to trust him ever again. This man will step on you to get himself up that ladder. Too bad he just ruined any chance of doing so in the future.
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related links Posted by 715318 on November 17, 2008 at 9:39 p.m.

in response to 700015

That is exactly what just happened!

Okay so everyone is stoning the chief......what about the Capt? He is no better. He is just as much of a slimeball as the chief.
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related links Posted by 715290 on November 17, 2008 at 9:48 p.m.

in response to 715318

No doubt you are right. Obviously a charter member of the "I hate Bryan Smith Club". That has to be what all this is about. A bunch of unqualified, low-life, wannabe cops who know they can't get promoted on their own merits. They have to get rid of Smith and Frese in order to move up. I'm not a cop, nor do I play one on TV, but it sure smells bad to me and I'm not even an investigator. Somebody better be looking at how this trail leads back to Pinocchio Escobar and the rest of the wooden heads on city council. I wish like anything, that the CT actually had some investigative reporters or one of the TV stations. I suppose this is what happens when a new guy tries to raise the old, small-town standards to something approximating the current century and appropriate department size. I know it is South Texas, but we sure seem to lag behind other cities our size in almost every category I can see. It is time to start requiring more education from the street on up. Cops should have to have an associates degree at a minimum just to enter the academy and supervisors should have Bachelors or Master's preparation depending on the level. That ought to promote some professionalism or at least take the wind out of these old farts whose drive to improve themselves was pickled about 25 years ago. I'm just Joe Citizen, if I can see this, why can't the people in charge? I see the same garbage where I work, but at least taxpayer dollars aren't involved. The Peter Principal works better without civil service and union interference.

BlueMagic
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related links Posted by 709562 on November 17, 2008 at 9:49 p.m.

Chief Smith should be fired!!

Smith's friends in the P.D should be worried. No more special treatment. LOL
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related links Posted by 715581 on November 17, 2008 at 9:52 p.m.

Exscuse me but I think it's time for you'al to lay-off cheif Smith. He has done an excellent job. He needs a little support in this community. He Has some hard shoes to fill. Lets cut him a break! Den J. Shedden
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related links Posted by 700294 on November 17, 2008 at 9:54 p.m.

Bryan,

Good luck in the future. I am sorry that you bought into the "rock star" status that the Caller Times created for you a little over two years ago when you were appointed Chief. The Caller printed a bunch of articles about how you played a guitar, read Shakespear, and broke the mold of the traditional Police Chief.
You bought into it and actually believed you were a rock star, mardi gras king, dog parade grand marshal, etc.. You thought you were bullet proof. None of us are bullet proof, that is why real Cops wear vests and don't make tough decisions with self interest and ego being the dominate factor.
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related links Posted by 235951 on November 17, 2008 at 9:56 p.m.

in response to 715290

get a life
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related links Posted by 714649 on November 17, 2008 at 9:59 p.m.

in response to 709562

I smell a rat! Are you Torres, Tisdale or Vesely? You have to be one of the dregs with no hope of getting promoted in this lifetime. Even if they get rid of Smith, you know they are going to have to bring in someone from the outside to clean house. The citizens of Corpus Christi will accept nothing less at this point. The council better perk up their ears and take notice. There is more here than meets the eyes and there is just too much coincidence with the new excuse for a city Manager and this PD shakedown. Corpus deserves better and it is time for us to DEMAND it! Remember, ALL these people work for US!

SECEDETEXAS!
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related links Posted by 258638 on November 17, 2008 at 10:17 p.m.

in response to 235951

What a great addition to the adult discussion! What are you, 12?
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related links Posted by 709562 on November 17, 2008 at 10:23 p.m.

Bryan

Good Luck and take Commander (Lt.) Frese with you.
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related links Posted by 715290 on November 17, 2008 at 10:36 p.m.

in response to 258638

You shouldn't respond to the ones that crawl out from under the rocks, it only encourages them.

Try picking at 709562, he seems easily disturbed, you might uncover a gold mine there if you are into slimeball soup....

So, tell me, 562, the TV says you reinstated that lawsuit against Smith. Are you expecting to sue your way into the Chief job? How does that work? Who is that baby-faced POA guy with the defensive posture? How did you get him on your side - is he cheap or just easy - or are you?

BlueMagic
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 17, 2008 at 10:43 p.m.

Hey 562...maybe you and the extortionist captain will be cellmates.

You boys have fun!!!
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related links Posted by 710237 on November 17, 2008 at 10:50 p.m.

in response to 709562

QUIT SHOUTING. When you type in caps, you are shouting. Stop it.

Regarding your statement: "THE ANSWERS BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL GOOD FRIENDS. IF YOU ARE A FRIEND OF THE CHIEF YOU GET SPECIAL ASSIGNMENTS. THIS "

Hey, get a clue. People in authority are going to naturally seek out those who are good workers, can be trusted, and are team players. Sounds to me that anyone the Chief has promoted is one of his team players.

Maybe you need to consider being more outgoing, less hateful and vindictive. It might get you places. I know people like you and you are like a loose cannon. In addtion, you are dead weight and shed a negative force all around you. Bascially, you have a poor attitude and you are a loser. Truth be told, no one would ever be able to please you. I bet you didn't even like the other Chiefs because you are good at gripping....it's a sport to you and it appears you do it well.

Get a life. Look at yourself in the mirror first and see what YOU need to change.

Good luck. I sure am glad I don't have to work around you.
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 17, 2008 at 10:57 p.m.

Since this recording was of the Chief in what was SUPPOSED to be a private meeting between the Chief and the FBI, I would think the Feds might be interested .

I find myself wondering...what is the statute of limitations on extortion??? I'm sure that question will keep Tisdale awake at night regardless of what happens with the Chief.
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related links Posted by 710237 on November 17, 2008 at 11 p.m.

in response to 709562

Man, here you are again. At least you aren't shouting by using all caps this time I guess you are trainable after all.

So, you're the one who is suing the city....Torres...is that your name? Man, what a loser. Get a life. Move on.

I thought you had gone a long time ago but I just saw you on the 10PM news. Sorry, I have no respect for you. You are nothing but a crybaby.

Thanks a whole lot for suing us. Just what we need during these economic times. I guess this will make you and your family pretty popular.

Please find another profession or leave and work in another city. Create a mess someplace else. People like you become part of the problem and not the solution.

Quit hating.
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related links Posted by 714342 on November 17, 2008 at 11:05 p.m.

in response to 264139

The most intelligent comment on here so far!
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related links Posted by 710237 on November 17, 2008 at 11:06 p.m.

in response to 714649

It would do Vesely well to keep a low profile. I certainly hope he is rising above all this stuff and just doing his work. He's pretty darn lucky to have been able to return to the force. Listen to your mother.

Yeah, I guess it is either Torres or Tisdale...they should have "a pair" and sign their name. Or as Eva Longoria said in Desperate Houswives a few weeks ago..."Grow a pair." I thought that was really funny.

Frankly, speaking of "pairs," it probably would be good for the entire police department to undergo major overhauling. You think all the fault lies with the Chief? No, I think he has some officers who are not team players, who are angry, and have no business in law enforcement.

If you aren't a happy camper...leave. Vamanus.
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related links Posted by 710237 on November 17, 2008 at 11:09 p.m.

in response to 709562

Here you are again. Are you standing on your computer or what? Hey, go to bed. It's past your bedtime. Tomorrow is another day...for you to be ugly all over again.

Certainly, your mom didn't raise you like that.
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related links Posted by 418288 on November 17, 2008 at 11:10 p.m.

For those of you who don't know him, Capt. Tisdale is not at all the conniving rat you make him out to be. This is a man who served his country in two wars and worked three jobs to provide for his family. This whole business about blackmail is pure ignorance. Tisdale knew he would not be promoted, and indeed did not want to be. He kept the tape to give the Chief a chance to clean up his own mistakes--and when it was clear he wouldn't, he turned it over to the authorities, not the media (which if he wanted exposure he could have). He is a good man with a strong character. I'm wondering how many of you who are slandering him have ever even met him. Did you ever consider that maybe the reason he refuses to comment is because he believes in the system? He believes that those who did wrong will be punished? Instead you people are ready to crucify him--shame on you.
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related links Posted by 714342 on November 17, 2008 at 11:12 p.m.

in response to 698476

ok, I know who Chief Smith is but who in the world is Captain Smith???
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related links Posted by 709562 on November 17, 2008 at 11:19 p.m.

All of those defending the Chief are the DPOS and Lt. Frese . They know the writing is on the wall. lol

Good Times
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related links Posted by 714342 on November 17, 2008 at 11:28 p.m.

in response to 709562

AND YOU ARE ON CRACK - Cmdr Frese got promoted because she is very good at her job.
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 17, 2008 at 11:32 p.m.

I witnessed an incident a decade ago that no one was supposed to see. Then Captain Torres was upset that he had not been promoted to Commander. Torres brought in some CCPOA representatives with him to visit then Chief Alvarez to complain.

Smith (who was a Commander at the time) told Torres that if he wanted to complain, he should do it alone--not with POA reps. Smith warned Torres that if he went into the Chief's office with the POA reps he would lose all respect of the Chief. Torres took Smith's advice and was ultimately promoted to the rank of Commander by Chief Alvarez.

Chief Smith's flaws (and like all of us, he has plenty of them), include not protecting himself AND the Department from the likes of Torres. It would have been much better for Smith AND the Department had he kept his mouth shut and let Torres go up to Chief Alvarez's office with the union reps and destroy his own career.

I will NEVER understand why Chief Smith made Captain Tisdale Executive Officer of the Uniform Division. Tisdale did a great deal of damage to the Training Division by making life miserable for training officers who were doing their best to provide the best possible training for cadets and recruits, in addition to bringing existing officers up to speed on the latest laws and technologies affecting their jobs. Some of these officers left the division rather than work for Tisdale.

A guy like Tisdale needs to be in a place where he cannot damage the organization he (allegedly) serves. Perhaps the Property Room--better yet, the Land of Oz.

Wayne, tap your heels together three times and repeat, "There's no place like home...there's no place like home...there's no place like home...
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related links Posted by 715123 on November 17, 2008 at 11:45 p.m.

The Bum has to go.

What a lousy example for our kids and young adults to follow. Smith admits to driving drunk at 2 o'clock in the morning to go see his former girlfriend but, denies the rape charge. Not that that does not matter, but, the real issue is responsible leadership. Smith is an embarrassment to the City of Corpus Christi.

He should have been fired last Fall. He must have some dirt on the mayor and council. Otherwise they would have done right by the citizens of this fair city and fired him on the spot.

Hmmmm.
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 17, 2008 at 11:49 p.m.

in response to 418288

Tisdale is PRECISELY the conniving rat he is made out to be. When Tisdale left Iraq, the U.S. of A started winning the war. And what about blackmail is pure ignorance???

Tisdale went to Chief's office and said he liked his position as XO of Uniform and didn't want to be moved, then added, oh by the way, if you decide to move me I'll turn this over to the Council. Smith called Tisdale's bluff reporting this incident to City Legal which for some reason has investigated Smith but NOT Tisdale...

It seems extortion is okay with the new City Manager here in the Sparkling City by the Sea.
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 17, 2008 at 11:53 p.m.

in response to 715123

You are not being truthful...Smith never admitted to driving drunk.

I challenge you to show me where he made such an admission.

Put up or shut up.
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related links Posted by 713199 on November 17, 2008 at 11:53 p.m.

in response to 272666, Vicente Caranza has too many skeletons in his closet. I remember him in the early eighties and it would be better for him to stay out of the limelight, it could get nasty for him.
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related links Posted by 709562 on November 17, 2008 at 11:55 p.m.

No you are on CRACK!!

Frese got promoted because of Smith. Frese has not been in patrol long enough to lead. Frese went to Community Services and stayed there. Frese was never assigned to Special Services she only did "John Stings". Everything said about her is all LIES. Frese is just like Smith ALL LIES. Hmmm
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 18, 2008 at 12:03 a.m.

Frese is an excellent cop, and an excellent leader. 709562 is likely a female Captain on the police department, a member of the CCC, who wanted to be the first female Commander. Fortunately for the Department, Chief Smith chose an eminently more qualified person for the rank of Commander. That person is Heidi Frese. Frese commands the respect that 709562 can only dream of, and will never EVER have.
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 18, 2008 at 12:17 a.m.

Wow! 709562 is suddenly (and strangely) silent.
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related links Posted by 709562 on November 18, 2008 at 12:18 a.m.

You are really on crack.
Frese QUALIFIED!! Frese respected???
If she is so QUALIFIED why did she backed out of the Captain's test. Instead she used her friendship with Smith to get promoted. Frese knew she was up against better QUALIFIED Lieutenants who would do circles around her. Frese knows she could not do it on her own she needed Smith to help her. If you do not believe this ask her why she took her name off the Captain's test list.
Hmmm
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related links Posted by 418288 on November 18, 2008 at 12:27 a.m.

in response to 700015

How dare you. This man is a decorated disabled vet and you dare talk about his military service? Just how do you know all of this information? Where you there? This is pure speculation and it's easy to make such accusations while remaining anonymous. Who are you in such a position to say? Be a man and identify yourself.
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 18, 2008 at 12:31 a.m.

To 709562:

Name better qualified Lieutenants.

To 418288:

Disabled??? Then how is it that he is a Police Officer???

I will identify myself when you identify yourself.
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related links Posted by 418288 on November 18, 2008 at 12:32 a.m.

in response to 700015

Gathering from your post, you are a police officer making disparaging (and untrue) remarks about a fellow officer--like Chief, like crony. Chief Smith is the pied piper and here come the rats to follow.
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related links Posted by 418288 on November 18, 2008 at 12:35 a.m.

in response to 700015

This is the voice of reason.

Go check the VA records.
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 18, 2008 at 12:42 a.m.

Dear Readers,

This is really what it is all about. Chief Smith DARED to promote a qualified person to the rank of Commander instead of a member of the CCC (Corrupt Captains Clique) or a CCC protege with the rank of Lieutenant.

For this "crime", he must be punished. And he probably will be.

Corpus Christians, it's up to you. Decide whether you want the corrupt City Government that just hired a puppet City Manager who did not meet their OWN qualifications to oust Smith and put criminals like David Torres and the extortionist Wayne Tisdale in charge or whether you want Smith to clean house at the PD.

As for me, I side with Smith.
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 18, 2008 at 12:53 a.m.

in response to 418288

Sooooooo...I'm guessing you've elected NOT to identify yourself.
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 18, 2008 at 12:56 a.m.

tee hee
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related links Posted by 418288 on November 18, 2008 at 12:57 a.m.

Dear Readers,

This is REALLY what this is about. Chief Smith was recorded saying things he shouldn't have and did things that he should not have. This IS a crime and it should be mentioned that if the Chief of police is allowed to do these things, then all cops can "bend" the rules--right? As for Wayne Tisdale--what did he gain from this? What did he extort from the Chief? NOTHING.

Corpus Christians, it is up to you. Don't buy into slander obviously meant as a smokescreen for Smith's own wrong-doing. All he can do now is try and bad mouth Tisdale to hide from his own actions. Tisdale DID try and clean house by turning in this tape.

As for me, I side with Tisdale--and every other good cop out there.
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 18, 2008 at 1:04 a.m.

It IS funny...709562 (so far) refuses to name the "better qualified Lieutenants", and 418288 has refused my offer to identify MYself if he or she identifies her/himself.

It really is sad that the CCC (Corrupt Captains Clique) has so much power within the PD. They will probably get their way in firing the Chief...that is unless the citizens stand up against the puppet City Manager.
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related links Posted by 709562 on November 18, 2008 at 1:04 a.m.

Frese

Go to bed. Stop defending the Chief.
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related links Posted by 700015 on November 18, 2008 at 1:29 a.m.

in response to 418288

What IS the crime the Chief committed? Is it a crime to say unflattering things about the City Council??? No, it is not. It IS, however, a crime to try to extort special favors from a person in authority under threat of releasing such information to those who might object.

What is it that Smith said that is so damaging to the Council/puppet City Manager that a "decorated and disabled" soldier and member of the CCC was willing to commit extortion to try and hide???

I'm guessing the Corrupt Captains Clique extortionist Tisdale is hoping for a quick dismissal of the Chief so that he can gain the favor of Walsh and the new CCPD administration. Why not? He has everything to gain and nothing to lose.

The corrupt Council and puppet City Manager want Smith out. He is a very real threat to them.

I sincerely hope the FBI does a thorough probe of the CCPD and the entire city government. When that happens, 2/3 of the Captains, 1/4 of the Lieutenants, and one commander will be indicted. So will Henry Garrett and those council members who voted to hire a City Manager who did not meet the City's own qualifications. There is much more here than meets the eye.
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related links Posted by 715583 on November 18, 2008 at 2:11 a.m.

I have been reading all the comments for the past few days, some with amusement and others with interest. The facts are these concerning the career of Chief Smith: he is hired with a fanfare from the press.. yes he was the "rock star" and media darling and he seemed to enjoy the attention. Then he publicly proposed marriage in front of the entire crowd and media at a baseball game (more media attention) nothing wrong with that, it is nice to have public support and human interest in a police officer. Then... he screws up... he shows his lack of character by going to a former girlfriend's house for a "booty" call less than a week after his very public proposal. (that was a no class move),,, not rape and not illegal but definitely low class. He is suspended pending the investigation, (with pay)... then is suspended for 20 days no pay... he is allowed to use his vacation time to take care of that. He lost a lot of respect from the troops and I believe from the citizens at that point, but kept his job. One of the promises made to the city council when he was hired was to improve the professionalism of the dept, with CALEA certification. I am not exactly sure what that stands for but I am beginning to think it is not worth the hoops that are being jumped through to obtain it. If it is even obtainable with the problems and infighting that CCPD represents. The promotion of Lt Frese to commander is wholly the chief's decision, but it is one that gave a slap in the face to many qualified and more experienced Captains. By contract he has the right to promote a Lt or a Capt to Commander, but he should be able to qualify his decision. Her being female should not be a factor in the decision to promote or not to promote. Another thing about this situation that bothers me is the timing with the hiring of the new city manager, Escobar. That seems to stink of some sort of deal making between city council, the mayor and the city manager. Escobar who didn't want the job said he would refuse the job and then is given the job after the field is narrowed to only a few choices, one of whom seems greatly more qualified (from Wichita KS) . The candidate from Wichita also has a reputation for finding and cleaning up corruption in city government... hmmmm. I don't know why he was not desirable to the powers that be. Back on the subj at hand.. Escobar after he is chosen.... first big assignment fire the chief. again, hmmm.. as you can tell I am not backing the chief nor am I out to crucify him, but these are irregularities that need to be looked at. Then we have the mystery recording.... let the investigation begin, but let it be a fair investigation, not a witch hunt. I would like the investigation to include the irregularities in how the city manager came to be chosen and what kind of deals were made in that situation, because I believe (my opinion) that there is more to this than is being revealed at this time.
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related links Posted by 425208 on November 18, 2008 at 2:18 a.m.

I GOT IT!!!!!! GET BARNEY!! BARNEY FIFE! REMEMBER? MAYBERRY I'M SURE ANDY CAN SEND HIM OVER! NEVER MIND HE'S NO LONGER WITH US. ANYWAY...GO TO BED YOU ALL. YOU COPS HAVE TO WORK TOMORROW AND PROTECT OUR CITY.

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!
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related links Posted by 241611 on November 18, 2008 at 7:23 a.m.

banales, noe, garcia, smith.....its like a three ring circus around here. Gotham city didn't have the problems Corpus has. Where is Batman when you need him. Oh yeah, i like the whole Rex Gabriel for police chief idea. Poetry from the headquarters has a certain ring to it...."one pairrrrr of womenssss pantiesssssssssssss".
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related links Posted by 235716 on November 18, 2008 at 8:20 a.m.

Just finished reading all the previous posts. No wonder I lie awake at night unable to sleep. Signed, Corpus Christi Resident
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related links Posted by 320071 on November 18, 2008 at 8:56 a.m.

in response to 715290

Bravo! Your post expresses my sentiments exactly. Only a jerk would degrade someone who was out on leave for cancer. There are some officers who should NEVER be promoted, but most of them are honest, hard-working citizens that deserve our support and respect for the job that they do every day. To those of you who are not involved in any of this, please know that you are appreciated and continue to hold your heads high as you go about your job.
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related links Posted by 251403 on November 18, 2008 at 9:57 a.m.

in response to 715290

The Celis connection IS in fact true. I know because I had the pleasure of sitting in the booth with both of them. At the time I didn't even know who Chief Smith until my male companion introduced him to me as the Chief of Police. Of course this was quite some time ago considering that Celis has pretty much been on house arrest since his indictment. I just thought I'd contribute my knowledge.
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related links Posted by 704925 on November 18, 2008 at 11:28 a.m.

in response to 709562

You state "Frese was not qualified for the position of Commander." I am wondering what makes you qualified to make that statement. Do you have a degree or some special education? What is it that makes you MORE qualified than the Chief of Police to make this decision?

A HUGE part of the problem with CCPD is that we have Officers such as you who are too busy trying to do the job of the Chief of Police and not doing your own job. If you would have been doing your job as directed, it is possible that you could be a Commander now. Obviously, Lt. Frese was a good Officer, did her job and was rewarded and she richly deserved this promotion. Those of you who are constantly complaining and second guessing your superiors do not deserve to even keep the job you have, much less be considered for a promotion.
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related links Posted by 248776 on November 18, 2008 at 12:30 p.m.

It's time for the city of Corpus Christi to get on their knees and pray
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related links Posted by 710197 on November 18, 2008 at 1:12 p.m.

in response to 251403

Sooo...... doesn't that mean that you are also guilty of "hanging out in a bar with Celis". Somehow not a vote for confidence in your integrity....
should we force you out of your job for that "pleasure"?
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related links Posted by 236373 on November 18, 2008 at 1:51 p.m.

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Frese isn't good at anything. She worked for Smith when he was her Commander. It's about, I scratched your back now you scratch mine...presto your commander!

Here's a woman who will be sitting in a room full of experinced, seasoned, competent, qualified captains and liutenants, men and women, and she's in charge!!! what a joke!!!
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related links Posted by 710197 on November 18, 2008 at 2:30 p.m.

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"Frese isn't good at anything"
I know that to be a lie. Since you start with a lie, why should I believe any of the rest of your opinion? There sure are a lot of you guys out there with a serious case of sour grapes....
Do you not get that when you undermine each other, none of you wins? All of us "joe citizens" just lose faith in all of your integrity. Here you are on the blogs demeaning your department and fellow officers in direct defiance of what the acting leadership asked for...to me that just demonstrates you don't have the leadership skills for any kind of promotion and you are not any kind of team player. I wouldn't make you a Scout patrol leader, much less Commander...

Eeyore
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related links Posted by 704925 on November 18, 2008 at 3:06 p.m.

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The joke is on you, my friend. If you are one of the "experienced, seasoned, competent, qualified captains and lieutenants" and were passed over by a Lieutenant who was doing her job better than you, THE JOKE IS ON YOU!!!
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related links Posted by 236373 on November 18, 2008 at 3:26 p.m.

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"you are not any kind of team player"

What the heck...lets promote little johnny he's got perfect attendence...everyone scream yea!!!!!

Promote the best person for the job not just the one you like better.
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related links Posted by 251403 on November 18, 2008 at 3:53 p.m.

in response to 710197

My comment was merely to state the fact that I know these two were hanging out together. I'm sure they were more than distant aquaintances considering Mr. Celis felt comfortable enough to call up the chief on his cell phone at 3 in the morning the night of his unfortunate run in with the law.
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related links Posted by 258638 on November 18, 2008 at 3:59 p.m.

in response to 251403

I understand the Chief hung up on him and started the investigation with the Sheriff. Celis felt comfortable calling himself both a lawyer and a cop, too. It doesn't look like any of those feelings have worked out well for him so far.
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related links Posted by 251403 on November 18, 2008 at 4:08 p.m.

in response to 258638

Yes, your statement is correct...my memory seemed to have escaped me. It just seems to me that Mr. Smith has either had a case of some rather unfortunate luck or that maybe he is not the right person for the job of Chief. Someone in such a high ranking and public position should be more responsible about what positions they put themselves in and what comes out of their mouth.

He's received more publicity for the wrong he's done than the right. It just does not come across well, and it reflects badly on the police dept as well as the city.

Perhaps he should consider a resignation...save what little face he still has.
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related links Posted by 238494 on November 18, 2008 at 4:13 p.m.

I wish you officers would invest this much time in your jobs and not bashing each other. Go fight crime not each other. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. WHAT A JOKE TO SAY YOU GUYS ARE PROFESSIONALS! THIS IS SO JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL. You don't deserve to wear that uniform! And i wonder how many of you are doing this on taxpayer dollars...............the dollars you so think you deserve because of the hard work you do. WHAT A FREAKING JOKE!
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related links Posted by 710197 on November 18, 2008 at 4:25 p.m.

in response to 251403

You are right, he's either extraordinarily unlucky or maybe somebody is actually out to get him. Reading so many of these posts from disgruntled, sour-grapes types makes me lean more towards that than anything else. The other scary thing is all these grumpy old farts have guns! I'd really rather see some facts presented here to do away with all the speculation.
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related links Posted by 457783 on November 18, 2008 at 4:42 p.m.

Mr. Smith might consider going for a "limpia"...I think that's what it's called. 'drive away evil spirits" May she won when she lost...
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related links Posted by 457783 on November 18, 2008 at 4:45 p.m.

S/B Maybe she won when she lost.

Jaime Kenedeño said...

On the Tasered Student,

1. There has been no investigation this matter.

2. There is no report of this incident.

3. Federal Agencies either have been informed and acquiesce (maybe hoping it will go away) or they remain uninformed and ignorant.

4. There is a formal request requesting FBI & DOJ conduct an investigation (into the tasering incident).

5. If it is a matter so simple as the student was not innocent in the case then by all means let's prove what exactly he is guilty of and whether the use of a taser was appropriate and if so is it the way we choose to handle matters in education. Hell, if the kid doesnt do their home work ZAP! OOOOPs he got a couple of test questions wrong ZAPPPPP~! And you sir you are walking on the wrong side of the hall ZAPPP ZAP there you go a full zap and another quick zap for violating the full monte of rule,....."The Forbidden Hallway" oooooooooooooooh! "Tase em all they are being teenagers" You Got It Brother!!!!!!

Is that the way it is going to be for kids?

That means your kids, and Shamsie's kids, and every student in the Texas Eduction System. No wonder the phrase "School to Prison Pipeline".